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fasteddy

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I'm afraid that has been my problem all my life. The fear of being normal and predictable. If they aren't watching you out of the corner of their eye at all times to see what your up to next you just aren't trying hard enough.

This will be a long range plan at the moment but something to plan for next fall/winter for sure.

Steve.
 

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My Sociable project will involve a number of steps. First of all I have to dig the rickshaw out from the rubbish that's been piled on top of it, but because I don't want to just shift the rubbish to another location around the carport or back yard I need to take steps to get rid of it all.

Sooooo my plan is to lengthen my tricycle's wheelbase and build a decent sized tray on the back. I've been meaning to do this for the past two years and I've already got the necessary materials to hand. I'm going to need my tricycle anyway to go for hardware store and timber yard trips as I progress with my cyclecar build so I might as well do it now.

I spent some time this afternoon clearing out and sweeping the carport in readiness to start working on my tricycle. The weather is very hot and humid at the moment so I feel pretty darn tired now, but despite that it was good to be actually doing something again.
Once the sun goes down I plan on starting to cut the necessary steel parts for lengthening my tricycle's wheelbase.
 

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Whats the damage? Could you send me their info? Looks handy indeed!
It's called a Universal Frame Clamp and I would think any sidecar specialist worth their salt would have them. Here in New Zealand they cost $NZ49.00. British suppliers have them for 50 pounds sterling, - so I think it might be wise to see if you can find them close to where you live.
 

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silverbear

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Anne & Steve,
Was sitting here thinking about sidecars, sociables & such and those very neat little universal sidecar clamps. As Anne would say, they are the "bees knees". Unfortunately they are also expensive. I was trying to picture in my mind something self made that would serve the same function. What about those split collars which I'll be using for engine mounts on my "kindalieawhizzer" build and which proved to be so useful for mounting both the engine and jack shaft assembly on the Elgin Velocipede build? They are rock solid and reasonably priced. Of course they also have to be modified by welding metal to it for bolting down an engine or such. So, say we have the split collar and welded to one half section is a bit of angle iron with a hole drilled to hold an eye bolt which can swivel to receive an arm coming from the sidecar. That would do the same thing as the universal sidecar clamp, wouldn't it? And for less than $10.00 per mount (The last ones I ordered came to about 8.00 each including shipping). Three mounts would come to some labor at cutting, welding and drilling plus roughly $30.00 for split collars and eye bolts. That's $20.00 less than the cost of one of the Universal clamps from England... and that's not even counting what the shipping from England would come to. What do you think?
SB
 
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silverbear

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So when will you begin manufacturing these for sale? I'll take 4 I think :D
You would not want anything I have welded. And maybe this is another brain fart. We'll see what the smart people have to say. Anne & Steve?.... If it's a dopey idea you can say so. I won't be hurt... much. sniff.
SB
 

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I think it's a good idea Silverbear :) Those split clamps are very useful items and I must ask at the local engineers' supply to see what they have.

I've been looking at those clamps myself and turning ways of making something similar over in my mind. I could make a reasonable copy using my lathe and other workshop gear, but I'd have to look into what scrap steel I can find first. Prices for new steel are just plain awful here and I wouldn't want to commit to ordering anything until I was sure my ideas would work.
 

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I'm afraid that has been my problem all my life. The fear of being normal and predictable. If they aren't watching you out of the corner of their eye at all times to see what your up to next you just aren't trying hard enough.

This will be a long range plan at the moment but something to plan for next fall/winter for sure.

Steve.
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silverbear

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Anne & Steve, regarding the sociables, have you given any thought to suspension for the sidecar (sociable) wheel? Seems like it would be a good idea, but what do you picture? And if the fork on the bike part was suspended, would the two suspensions need to be matched, more or less?
SB
 

Ludwig II

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Suspension on a sidecar wheel is fraught with compromise. The best solution for comfort seems to be a fully sprung sidecar on an unsprung chassis.

There is a solution to each problem that arises, but really, is it worth the struggle, when the crew can simply be isolated by springing?
 

fasteddy

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Anne,

It's always amazing how fast a flat surface in a garage attracts various items and just how quickly it does it. Then when you move the flat surface you need to find another flat surface to put everything.

Steve.
 

silverbear

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Ludwig,
I think something is getting lost in the gap between British English and American English.

"Suspension on a sidecar wheel is fraught with compromise. The best solution for comfort seems to be a fully sprung sidecar on an unsprung chassis.

There is a solution to each problem that arises, but really, is it worth the struggle, when the crew can simply be isolated by springing"

I have no idea what you mean, sir.
What is a fully sprung sidecar on an unsprung chassis? And what is meant by "the crew can simply be isolated by springing?"
I don't understand.
SB
 

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... on Serbian English: maybe to have non-sprung wheel on side-car frame (rigded), but "gondola" of sidecar with passenger is on springs?
Maybe (my) Serbian way: to have thick foam under passenger, maybe some springs under seat, like on Annie's French-buckboard with body?

Simple solution: to have springed rear fork of moped? Not necessary the same system on "motorcycle", but good if wheel on side-car could keep the same position toward other wheels (distance and position), no mater if going up-down...

Zoran
 

silverbear

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I guess another question this raises in my mind is how different does it make things when the motorcycle has no rider, but the rider is in the sidecar (sociable). The distribution of weight is quite different which must translate to different handling dynamics. ???
SB
 

fasteddy

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Bee's Knee's Manufacturing. The thought intrigues me to no end.

I was thinking that a piece of tubing with an inside diameter to match outside diameter of the tubing that your clamping to would work. Length of the outside tubing as you need it to be. Cut the tubing that's being used as the clamp in half length wise so both halves are the equal size. A thin blade would help so not to much metal is removed.

Weld each half of the split collars to the end of the tubing halves. You can then weld any mounting attachment you want to the tubing. To make an adjustable mount I would use one of the nuts that they use to join two lengths of threaded steel rod together. I've forgotten what they are called but I get them at Home Depot and I'm sure any good hardware store or fastener supply would have them world wide.

To mount the nut I would use lengths of strap steel the right width so they can be welded to the nut on either side. To mount the strap steel to the tubing I usually use a hole saw the size of the tubing I'm welding it to, to cut a hole in the steel as close as possible to one end. Then I cut the end of the steel off across the middle of the hole if it is still there and weld it to the half piece of tubing. Do this before you well the strap steel to the nut. Lesson learned the hard way.

A bolt with enough thread to make the needed adjustments can be threaded into the nut and cut off where needed and a block of steel with the correct size of hole can be welded onto the bolt.

Sounds like a lot of work and it is but when you look at the cost of the premade mounts I can do a lot of work.

Steve.