Velocars and other interesting vehicles.

[Intrepid Wheelwoman]

. And I can't stop dreaming of a leather helmet and faceted goggles.

Got the googles, still searching for the leather helmet

I like the sound of your ideas for your kinneri

 

[Ludwig II]

The gear is easy enough to find.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?biw...7.8.8.0....0...1c.1.64.img..8.0.0.H_qD3cr-fmM

 

[Intrepid Wheelwoman]

The gear is easy enough to find.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?biw...7.8.8.0....0...1c.1.64.img..8.0.0.H_qD3cr-fmM

Finding one isn't so hard Ludwig, it's finding one that seller doesn't think has a gold content.

 

[mogollonmonster]

Well, greatgrampa Holly was a flyer in WWII and I've got his. It's old and beaten, and I haven't seen it in years, hope it's still wearable.

 

[Ludwig II]

Well, the only other alternative is a tank crew hat.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=t...6eicyQIVibQaCh0WuQ8n&biw=1366&bih=643#imgrc=_

 

[Ludwig II]

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/

 

[Intrepid Wheelwoman]

Coz my cyclecar will be defined as a motorcycle here in New Zealand I will be looking for a proper legal helmet, but one with a nice retro look.

I've found two so far that are within my budget.......

I like this one best

But I'm still trying to decide about this one.......

For a leather flying helmet for swanning about in though I much prefer the 1930s aviator type. Fortunately a nice replica is available (goggles not included).....

http://www.garciaaviation.com/326-new-lindberg-style-leather-flying-helmet.html

Work is slowly progressing on the 'INTREPID' but no new pictures as yet.

 

[Intrepid Wheelwoman]

Here's some older pictures of the chassis just to remind everyone where I was up to.

 

[moto-klasika]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Hello there,[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I was always interested in some other variants than ordinary pedal-systems (circular pealing), and now even more when I think about reconstruction of my present HPV-quadricycle. In spite that I didn't test it properly, I am not satisfied with some solutions. [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]From the first information about Russian velomobiles from fifties and sixties, often mentioned here, I often saw system that could be described as push-pull pedals. The simplest version is with metal links connecting pedals and crank-shaped rear axles – similar to systems on kid-cars... Mostly, used was system of chains, or cable-and-chains with free wheels at jack-shaft or at rear axle/wheels. One interesting system was shown some time ago by our member Kai... There are variants with hanging pedals (on upper-positioned axle) or staying pedals (on down-positioned axle). Some photos are attached, as a link to something too long Russian video about quite complicated, but interesting solution (a lot of chains, sprockets and free-wheels, with feet and hand power):[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0c2UEBN7LM[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Without too much experience with either of systems, it seems to me that more power could be translated to pedals with moving feet in a way forward-backward, then around in circle? (especially for velomobiles with something reclining position of rider)... Also, there should be needed less vertical space for such systems?[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]As I understand, push-pull pedals must be connected for synchronised moving and at the end to have two free-wheels (on jack-shaft or at two rear wheels)?[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Any experience with such pedalling systems? (more pictures in following message)
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Ciao,[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Zoran[/FONT]
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[moto-klasika]

... new pictures!
Zoran

 

[mogollonmonster]

Intrepid Wheelwoman (it's Annie, right?), that flyer cap is almost exactly what I have, if I remember correctly.

And Zoran, have you heard of the Pedicar? It was an American creation from the oil crisis of the 1970s. The inventor, Fred Buchman I believe, used a push-pull treadle system. As I understand the gearbox is quite a feat of engineering.

For my velo I've decided to use doped fabric for my bodywork, supported by wire mesh. I think that may solve my nose cone issues. It should also help keep weight down. Any suggestions from folks who know more than I?

 

[Ludwig II]

Doped fabric has worked for over a century on flying machines that need absolute reliability, so it should work for you.

 

[moto-klasika]

Intrepid Wheelwoman (it's Annie, right?), that flyer cap is almost exactly what I have, if I remember correctly.

And Zoran, have you heard of the Pedicar? It was an American creation from the oil crisis of the 1970s. The inventor, Fred Buchman I believe, used a push-pull treadle system. As I understand the gearbox is quite a feat of engineering.

For my velo I've decided to use doped fabric for my bodywork, supported by wire mesh. I think that may solve my nose cone issues. It should also help keep weight down. Any suggestions from folks who know more than I?

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Hello MM,
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Thank you to mentioned Pedicar – I knew for it but forgot, as on many other saved in my archive! A few decades ago I head just a few sketches or photos with pedal-cars (velocars, velomobiles, cycle-autos, valo-autos...), but now due to internet we had enormous quantity of information. Sometime to much to find the most important...
Yes – it had some kind of push-pull pedals, it looks to me as “sliding-pedals” that could be quite well made using DIY rails or some used for kitchen cabinets... As always, it is good to have soem kind of "gear-changing", but not necessary of somehting complicated and expesnive as Pedicar had! One or a pair of bicycle's derailleur sys[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]tems should be good (dependign if it is for 3-wheeler or 4-wheeler). Body should be simpler and cheaper, too!
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As I couldn't make a few models for experimenting, maybe to try on some threads here in Motor-bicycling Forum, or at Atomic-Zombie web-site...


Using fabric for body could be very simple and cheap if you search a little, even on boat-building forums: so-called skin-over-frame canoes (SOF)... The most important if it is durable and good if it is heat-schrinking... Depending of your skill you could use metal frame (as a cage for birds), or wooden one, or some combination...

Anne,

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The first helmet looks to me as the most protective, but second is more stylish and the third is the best for appearance and feeling vintage? Here in Bern, I could find nice goggles in Army Shop, but not vintage helmets, or at least not for now...


Ciao,
Zoran

 

[mogollonmonster]

Well Zoran, I would describe my skill level as "Hack", not sure how well the term translates, in this usage. But I have built small boats useing the SOF technique. However, they weren't built for looks. Regardless, I'm somewhat familiar with the concept, my concern is what I should use for dope.

I've used polyurethane varnish once in the past, but I've found it's too brittle. Perhaps fiberglass resin?

 

[moto-klasika]

P.S.: No, Pedicar system wasn't of "sliding pedals" but oscilationg as most of other!
Some video-clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSYwtg77RK0

... and, with both legs go togather:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8ghFl9j9iI

...and, one different:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQY5Od-xhDM

.. and, interesting web-site:

http://plywoodvelomobile.blogspot.ch/2012/01/lineair-drive.html

Zoran

 

[Ludwig II]

http://www.jmk-innovation.se/

 

[Ludwig II]

Awaiting resurrection in Australia, a probable Poirier invalid trike with a definite later attachment VAP 4 cyclemotor.

 

[moto-klasika]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]... and, now - something annoying![/FONT]
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However, such mobility scooters, or whatever we call them - could be practical transport for people that otherwise should stay at home or depend on other persons help - at least here in Swiss. DIY movement isn't developed at all - and, I am waiting on public reactions when start cruising over Bern's streets with my HPV quadricycle... I am waiting on something wormer days - just after tune dérailleur system on the left bike. Everything other if finished - I hope so.[/FONT]
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Zoran [/FONT]

 

[moto-klasika]

... and, now something more atractive!
Zoran

 

[Ludwig II]

https://www.facebook.com/moonerdizzle/posts/10156228668850551?notif_t=notify_me

https://www.facebook.com/100001330204689/videos/896368787084120/