Rules For Racing...

[Goat Herder]

Why do you want to make it a aerodynamic advantage?

This fellow can go a nice speed without a motor assist imagine what could have been accomplished with a motor assist !!

I see them going upwards of 45 mph all the time here where I live, on lance wanna be bikes.. They want to pull up to me. No where near as fancy as the one you linked. Fastest Tour Da France speed is 60 mph...

 

[Dave31]

I'd like to see him turn left and right on the track? Who's racing in a straight line here?

Aero has nothing to do with what we are doing? You just need to go to a race before making suggestions. None of it to me seems to have anything to do with what we are doing.

 

[Venice Motor Bikes]

I'd like to see him turn left and right on the track? Who's racing in a straight line here?

Aero has nothing to do with what we are doing? You just need to go to a race before making suggestions. None of it to me seems to have anything to do with what we are doing.

I concur 100%!

 

[Goat Herder]

Yeah it will be hard enough to hold those tracks as it is..

 

[bairdco]

i don't see the "future" of our races being hurt at all by the relatively low speeds we're going. in fact, i think that's one of the biggest draws to it.

there's a lot of guys who raced motorcycles in the past, that don't wanna go 100+ anymore, yet still want the excitement of competing on a track.

aerodynamics play a very small part on a tight go kart track. besides tucking on the straights, it's all about cornering speeds and picking the right lines.

if i wanted to pedal all the time (and i probably pedal more than most guys) i'd race bmx or something. i don't believe pedaling should be mandatory in a race. we put motors on these bikes for a reason, not to judge who can pedal the fastest on a heavy bike.

as long as the pedals function, you should be able to ride however you want.

 

[Goat Herder]

I think they are powered up perfectly too.

 

[Dave31]

If there is no pedaling, then it's all about power.

But there is pedaling, I know it because I see others pedaling right next to me. Theres pedaling because I am exhausted after every race. I see racers pedaling at the start, i see racers pedaling out of the corners.

Like I said, you are making assumptions without even knowing what it is like. Go to a race and participate, then maybe you will understand.

It's clear to me you have no intentions of ever participating so why keep coming here suggestion to us who are doing what to do?

 

[Mike B]

Lots of people like to talk about stuff they know nothing about.

What's new?

 

[Dave31]

Bottom line is those who are running the races say what goes, we can be apart of it or not.

We can make suggestions, but they must be realistic to the type of racing we are doing.

Lets be real here if we are going to talk about rules, not some fantasy racing in someones head.

I like must have bicycle components, you must have working pedals. My first intentions with DR was a 50cc and a 5hp limit. But quickly things got out of hand.

**I really believe we need to have a hp and cc limit to get back on track to motorized bicycle racing.

 

[biknut]

My first intentions with DR was a 50cc and a 5hp limit. But quickly things got out of hand.

I'll bet, like a tank slapper.

I proclaim you, Lord of the understatement LOL.


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[MotorBicycleRacing]

Bottom line is those who are running the races say what goes, we can be apart of it or not.

We can make suggestions, but they must be realistic to the type of racing we are doing.

Lets be real here if we are going to talk about rules, not some fantasy racing in someones head.

I like must have bicycle components, you must have working pedals. My first intentions with DR was a 50cc and a 5hp limit. But quickly things got out of hand.

**I really believe we need to have a hp and cc limit to get back on track to motorized bicycle racing.

What hp and cc limit are you suggesting?

When are you holding the next DR in Arizona?

 

[scotto-]

If there is no pedaling, then it's all about power.

Pedaling is human power........what are you talking about??? Of course it's about power.....and winning and losing. Talk is cheap and racing is racing.......let's not confuse the two

 

[biknut]

I think the problem is, there's no accepted universal working definition of a motor bicycle. One guys motor bicycle is another guys motorcycle. Just having working pedals doesn't automatically make it a MB. Try to convince your local tax office otherwise.

 

[dmb]

thank you dave31 for noticing the elephant in the room. i hope everyone can make it to a race this year. it's such a good time for all. and the racing can be as good as any i've seen. dennis

 

[MotorBicycleRacing]

thank you dave31 for noticing the elephant in the room. i hope everyone can make it to a race this year. it's such a good time for all. and the racing can be as good as any i've seen. dennis

**I really believe we need to have a hp and cc limit to get back on track to motorized bicycle racing.

So dennis, you are agreeing with Dave that there needs to be a hp and cc limit?

What hp and cc limit are you and Dave suggesting?

 

[Dave31]

I still believe if we are going to call it motorized bicycle racing, then they should be bicycles.

Ignore the cc and hp limit for a second.

I still believe if we all use bicycles (frames, wheels, tires ect.) it will have to limit the amount of HP people run. These custom bikes have very little "bicycle" on them allowing us to run ridiculous amount of HP.

I understand that some expressed that better wheels and tires is a safety issue and of course I am all for safety. But, if we all run bicycles I would think common sense would come into play and we can build the best motorized bicycles we can without getting to crazy with cc's and hp.

I believe the racing could be more competitive and more fun when we are all on the same page.

I think Biknut is correct...What is the definition of a motorized bicycle? If we cannot agree and get on board then lets just keep doing what we are doing.

I do like the unlimited class because I'm really impressed with some of the bikes they are awesome. But many would fit right in to the moped racing they do every weekend on tracks all over the nation.

Sadly, i dont think we will ever agree, or ever come up with any rules to make the racing more fun and competitive.

Either way, I will still go to any race that I am able to and have fun. If there ever is any rules and my bikes dont fit those rules. I'll change them to fit those rules or build a new bike to fit those rules. But! I will never go beyond 5hp no matter what. If I want anything more I'd just buy me a Supermoto and go racing every weekend at Musselman.

And yes, there are plans for another Death Race but I have to wait for the last minute so someone does not schedule there race on top of mine.

 

[SoSauty]

Goals:

1 Safety; we're OK except consistent enforcement
2 Fun; close balanced competition
3 Affordable*; group by power/speed, no factory shifters, pedals required
4 Unique, not a SuperMoto, pedalless moped or PocketBike, MB definition see #3 above
(we can make exceptions, just don't build to have obvious advantage over others)
*Not controllable, just influence this aspect.

Street stuff; 30mph
Sportsman; 40-45mph (5hp types)
Outlaws; exhibition outlet for those who must

3 classes plenty; can be adjusted up and down a bit as needed.

 

[Easy Rider]

I'll make my 2 cents short...
At the beginning of the race season, I set up my bike to race against other bicycles like Scotto's and Ice's bikes with certain rules that were in place. If I knew I was going to race against mopeds and a 100mph e bike/motorcycle, I would have built a bad a$$ moped. Just saying it takes the wind out of our sails knowing we race with a set requirements & now are at a disadvantage where we are 1/2 a lap behind or even lapped. Personally I think mopeds should race with mopeds and bicycles should race with bicycles. I liked having the unlimited bicycle class (<212cc &11hp) and the separate outlaw class (anything goes).

 

[dmb]

no neil i was agreeing to post #94 and now#105 although i think the best racing is in the 5hp class. all of the classes have had their share of exciting races. some that i have seen from the back of the pack! dennis

 

[MotorBicycleRacing]

I think the problem is, there's no accepted universal working definition of a motor bicycle. One guys motor bicycle is another guys motorcycle. Just having working pedals doesn't automatically make it a MB. Try to convince your local tax office otherwise.

There is no problem and you would know that was so if you had been
to one of the SoCal Motor Bicycle Racing events.

There are 4 Motorized Bicycle Racing classes with the top limit
being 11.99 hp, working pedals, no shiftable motorcycle engines
and no motorcycle tires.
It's really simple and working so well that the class is growing quite
nicely and all the riders are having a blast.
The riders in this class have set the rules and will continue to do so.
They will not be competing against overpowered ebikes.

Forum racers like yourself will not be setting rules or limits on this class
or even any of the others.
There are 3 other racing classes for anyone who thinks that the 11 hp
class is over powered and ruining motorized bicycle racing....

There is a lot of room in the 50 cc 4 stroke class, low powered ebikes
and all other kinds of 30 mph or less bikes including friction drives, GEBE,
and whatever else you might come up with.

The Mid Range class includes 5 hp Morini's, 5 hp Briggs, 5 hp GC 160,
HF 99 cc, 138 cc Whizzers, Chonda automatic clones like BigBoyCycles
races and others.

Plenty of room for anyone without having to try and restrict what others
are racing.
Of course the 66 cc Chinese bicycle motor class is pretty full and very
competitive and will include an entry level class for new track racers and
stock bikes.

Personally, I really like ALL the classes and would like to race in any of
them in the future.

None of us that have been to the races gives a flying you know what
about what our local tax office thinks about our racing motorized
bicycles!