100:1 Mix

Discussion in 'Motorized Bicycle General Discussion' started by Retmachinist, Jul 24, 2009.

  1. bairdco

    bairdco a guy who makes cool bikes

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    a good lawn and garden shop should carry it. to save some time, just call Opti2 direct and they'll find the closest dealers in your area. they're real friendly folks.

    blakenstien, i wasn't making an attack on you, just explaining things my way.

    i don't know the manufacturers of your motor, but i do know this; almost every single manufacturer of every single thing in the world has a disclaimer that reads "warranty void if altered, abused, used for racing, modified, etc etc etc..."

    it's a CYA for them against the average consumer.

    besides my opinion and experience with Opti2, everyone is free to make their own choices. no one's gonna force you to try it. if you don't like it, don't use it, simple as that. as long as your bike's running and you're having fun, just leave it at that.:)
     
  2. matthurd

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    i was linked to this thread a while back http://motorbicycling.com/f4/first-china-girl-tips-install-3532.html and this link was here

    Instruction Manual - Gas Powered Bicycle Engines, Motorized Fast Bicycles, Motor Gas Engine Bicycle, Bike Conversion Engine Kits, Motor Assisted Bike Engines 80cc and 49cc, Peddle Start Motorized Bicycle Engine and more!

    if you scroll down this guy says do not use ANYTHING other then a synthetic 2 stroke oil. just thought that was odd.

    basically the way i see it natural or synthetic oils make no real difference.

    as far as where opti-2 is sold i emailed them before to find out where i could get some, real helpful people, this is the email address i used. [email protected]

    i haven't used any yet but eventually i'll change over to it.
     
  3. ezheimers

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    Read these posts today - Went to ACE hardware and purchased OPTi-2
    They have plenty...................... -EZ
     
  4. bairdco

    bairdco a guy who makes cool bikes

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    the guy (brad i think?) at opti told me they just picked up ACE as a client, but the small local one by my house never heard of it.

    i go there all the time, though, because there's a bunch of hot chicks working there.
     
  5. Vistaman73

    Vistaman73 Chat Box Junkie

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    Guys, this has gotten to the point where I am literally scared of this thread. I'm afraid it's either going to over my PC or eat me... :eek:
     
  6. cory151

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    Hey buddy, consider not starting every sentence with " I heard" or " I figured." Where did you "hear" those things? How is it you came to some of the conclusions you did, in which you say, you "figured?" By "heard" do you mean that you made it up, or were guessing?

    Just curious because it sounds like somebody fed a bull ****t sandwich.
     
  7. BarelyAWake

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    I'm sorry Blakenstein - but given the choice between advertisers and folks w/no ulterior motive sharing their actual experiences... I'd hafta choose the latter.

    TBH, it's not jus' the sellers of "conventional" oil, I run Amsoil @ 100:1... but have serious reservations even just talkin' about it w/folks at the store or w/e as it seems of all the oils available, the Amsoil reps have a bit of a reputation for being a touch... evangelistic lol

    *shrug* Run what you will - but take "hype" w/a grain of salt no matter the source ;)
     
  8. BarelyAWake

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    *shrug*

    Thing is, you can rarely talk to the actual designers of an engine - usually you're limited to what the retailer has to say... and they'll say jus' about anything to A: sell you something & B: cover their behind when it comes to potential warranty claims.

    So... I tend to nod & smile w/sales reps - but I listen to folks that have the actual experience to back it up, people with nothing to gain save the exchange of information.

    I should prolly mention that the only reasons I run 100:1 is less buildup in the engine and having to buy far less oil... it's really not that important an issue, conventional or synthetic - whatever works for you :)
     
  9. bairdco

    bairdco a guy who makes cool bikes

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    five to one what? five parts scotch to one part water? you're not making much sense, blakenstien.

    no offense meant, but we understand you won't use opti 2. fine. no big deal. but unless you have any experience with it or can cite someone who actually has had a bad experience with it, you're not helping your cause much...
     
  10. BarelyAWake

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    If that's your experience then by all means you should act on it, I can only relate my own... and in that I've noticed advertisers do tend to exaggerate a bit, not all manuals include every variable, chemical technology has advanced a touch in the past forty years and there's no source better than someone whom actually uses the product in question, yet has no profit motive.

    As an example, both Yamaha and Mercury (marine) have warranty disclaimers stating that you must use a specific brand of oil, not just type. I find it interesting that both companies also have branded oils, Yamalube and Quicksilver - coincidentally, these are the oils recommended. Now, they state this is because they've tested the oils to insure it meets or exceeds specifications and I'm sure this is true, you've a point about warranty repairs and loss of profit, there's even their reputation to consider - they wouldn't want to be known for untrustworthy engines for the sake of selling a substandard oil.

    So - they've told the truth... but not all of it. Did they even test oil alternatives? Why would they go through the bother if they're only going to end up recommending a competitor? These are highly reputable companies - but they're not charitable.

    Even personal experience is subject to this, for instance many of my friends as well as myself are NGK advocates - we swear up and down there's nothing better in a two stroke than a NGK plug simply because it isn't as prone to fouling. Thinking about it one day I realized I'd been using NGK for over over twenty five years, that due to my product loyalty - I didn't actually have the cross-experience to back this observation up, I simply didn't know if it was any better than anything else - only that it was what I considered good enough. Curious, I wandered around and asked my other motorhead friends, marine techs, snowmobile & dirtbike fanatics. They all said the same thing, that NGK ruled and they'd use nothing else - when asked if they had used anything else to compare their favored product with, they pretty much all answered with a surprised no... those few that said yes had only done so because that's what the engine came with - not exactly fair as they're usually used or a cheap "stock" item.

    So how do you know who to listen to? Ya can't really - no any one source has the whole tale to tell. Best you can do is to listen to all sides w/a touch of educated skepticism, knowing all statements have a bias - even if it's just opinion.

    Still, that's what I love about this forum - there's a bunch of experience shared without a commercial interest and it's fairly easy to determine general knowledge vs product loyalty. Despite my Amsoil preference - due to the statements made by any number of folks that use Opti2 on a regular basis, have tried other oils yet still recommend it - but most importantly have no profit motive... heck, I'd love to run Opti & the only reason I haven't is it's not commonly available around here.

    Does this mean you should let people convince you to go against your experience? Of course not if you're not comfortable with it, but does it mean they're wrong because they don't agree with you?

    No - there's quite often more than one "right" way to do things after all ;)
     
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    After many years at this s#@t... I'm telling you: "Use OPTi-2 at the 100:1 ratio in your small bike motors and you will have no trouble and will just LOVE IT!" End of the story.

    "Opinions are like ass holes - Everybody's got one..."
     
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    ezheimers >
    End of the story.

    [​IMG]

    I doubt it. :0
     
  13. cory151

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    How on earth does a poor french Canadian farmer afford a brand new snow machine? Riddle me that, Borat. .flg.
     
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    i found your picture, very patriotic indeed HAhahahahhahahaahahlaff
     

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    This saga reminds me of a guy who had no flats on his bicycle and thought to tell how he did it it specifically to help others.:rolleyes:

    and besides Rush Limbaugh is skinny now 0rotfl
     
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    If I put Wesson Oil in mine will it smell like pancakes.
    I love pancakes.

    //Pancakes rule!
     
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    Wonder if it's cool to use 'right off the get-go'? Or should you break-in a motor first and then switch over? Any thoughts??????????????? -EZ
     
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    I'm off the gate in my latest engine. So far it seems stronger and smoother. But I still put a half cap full of maxima poured into the cylinder and ports for the first firing. Then all opti.
     
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    this thread is 47 pages long. It's like the virtual equivalent of Opti-2's strength! hahaha! I have over a dozen builds, and around a dozen of them started with Opti and I haven't had a single problem.
     
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    I have read some (not all) of this thread, and I have a question.

    What is the reason for running Opti-2 at 100:1? Is it to save money by using less oil? Or is engine performance supposed to be better at 100:1 than at 50:1?
     

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