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bairdco

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the sprocket's a 30 tooth. i'm running a 32 on my 26 incher, and it works great for me. i've also got a 28, just in case. (sometimes it pays to be short and skinny;))

as a side note, 28 looks about the smallest anyone could go without making some kinda offset mount. with a hub mount, anything smaller and the chain will be stuck into the spokes.
 

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Baird, That front mount WILL MOVE! It happened to me on the purple bike!

You might want to cut a small piece of tube to lock the engine into the middle mount & then JB weld that mount to the forward mount!! (Or just JB 'em all together) (^)
 

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BarelyAWake, the side car is one thing but when I see how bairdco zips through the build with out getting up in the middle of the night to work on it and the nice job he is doing on it, thats what I mean about I have to buy my way out. That isn't where what ever skills I have, lay.
My brother the,why waste you money guy, stopped and looked at Bairco's bike and said thats nice. Praise like that doesn't come any higher.

The side car has been framed and taken apart a few times as I keep trying to improve on Mr. Watsons ideas.
It would have been easy if I didn't have an irrepressable desire to reinvent the wheel.
Should be some forward motion today if I just stay on track.

Got to go. I see my mind has wandered off and is going down the yellow brick road looking for the wizard of would.
The freaking job "would" be done if I kept my mind on it.

Fast"wanderin"eddy.
 

silverbear

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I made some progress today.Primed the frame & fork this morning and gave it the finish paint this afternoon. It was a little on the cool side for painting, but I think it is turning out OK and I like the color. Got a little more work done on the fenders and guards, but not much as I was doing my work in between work for my employer... also crammed in a bike ride this afternoon. Rain is forecast for the next couple of days so I wanted to get the frame painted when I could. Even without fenders and guards done, now I can mount wheels and engine in a few days and feel more like things are coming together. Gotta try to keep up with Bairdco... (pant pant).
SB
 

silverbear

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Light spots in third photo are patches of sunlight hitting what was otherwise in shade. I liked it in bare metal so much I thought about just giving it a clear coat, but then what to do about epoxy fills on the fenders, etc. Punchy tired. This should all have been one post.
SB
 

bairdco

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Venice, you might be right. it's solid now, but i don't think those studs are gonna hold it. i'm gonna make something else, but i wanted to get it mounted so i could work on the rest of it. it was really holding me back. thanks for the input.

SB, looks nice. i just noticed the tabs on the rear drop-outs. those are for the rear drop-kickstand. do you have that? those are cool, i'm trying to find one for my bike. right now, i don't even have a regular kickstand and it's bugging me having to lean it up against stuff all the time.

got some opti-2 oil today, and now i'm tired. fought a headwind going both ways for 20 miles. the winds like to switch around here, near the beach. on the way home, i was getting blown all over the place, and head on, i was sputtering along about 20mph. the wind blows. literally.

now i'm beat. i think the tank and the mount and the throttle and the rest of the neverending process are just gonna have to wait.
 

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silverbear - That's a real nice blue, good choice! I don't think the low temperature will effect anything other than cure time, I've the same problem here TBH. After the coat tacks up I bring it back inside to set, it's not too smelly that way. In some ways painting in cooler weather helps as ya get less of a haze from overspray hitting another, already dried area as it all stays wet longer. I just let coats dry overnight instead of a few hours.

I saw an aftermarket rear dropstand in my web wanderings a few months ago, bedanged if I can remember where... I was lookin' for a rear kickstand for my Schwinn and as the dropstand wouldn't work with it I moved on without bookmarking it. I'm hoping to find an original from the guy I got the Rollfast from, but if that doesn't work out I'll need one too - totally separate from the old-school style of a dropstand, I just hate mid-mounted kickstands 'cause of pedal interference and kickstands in general because of their sinking into the ground habit... not to mention even the beefy rear kickstand I have now doesn't look all that happy when my Schwinn is all loaded down with stuff. Centerstands are sweet... but just don't work with a lot of builds, I'm not sacrificing my SBP exhaust on the Schwinn just for a centerstand lol

If I happen to find the aftermarket dropstand I'll post it :)


Oh right - I forgot to babble on about how sexy these new Sturmey Archer hubs are lol They sure as heck don't look vintage, not even a lil bit - I was plannin' on painting them to help hide that... but I just cant bring myself to do that to 'em :p I may do just the side covers after some time, maybe not - either way I think my friend put it well when he said not to worry about it, that it's like havin' a set of nice rims on an old muscle car *shrug* I cringed a lil when I got the final bill, but then I calmed myself by remembering that they're not just hubs - they're my gears, brakes, and generator too :D

Front gen hub on the left, three speed on the right (they're also freakin' HUGE, that's hard to see in the pic tho) ;
 

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silverbear

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Bairdco,
I was wondering if you ever slow down and rest. It's good to just let it all go and sleep on it sometimes. I've had answers come in dreams many times for problems small and large having nothing to do with bicycles and motors and such. A rear stand would be just the thing. Why did they stop making those, anyway? Cost? They not only look cool, they really work, too. I hadn't realized the tabs were for that. Good to know. No, as I got the frame it was just a 39 frame and fork. The 41 donor bike where the fenders and guards came from had no stand of any kind either, so maybe it had the rear one at one time. Don't know. I wonder how hard it would be to make one... I may just go with the center Y stand as they work pretty well and I have them on my Americans.
Barely, yeah, those hubs are big alright. While paint was drying on the Elgin yesterday I took the old Hawthorne apart and studied the 24" rims some. The back wheel is missing almost a third of the spokes, so I'm guessing that the rim may well be bent if somebody tried to ride it like that. Each wheel has 28 spokes, or is supposed to. I found a source for heavy duty 2.125 rims on eBay for $90.00 with shipping (36 spoke), so I'm thinking it makes little sense to rebuild 60 year old rims and pay $50.00 + for materials plus all of the labor. Not that this has a danged thing to do with the Elgin build... just something to think about in other upcoming motorbicycle projects. Ordered the other black wall tire last evening for the Elgin, so in a week or so it will have wheels mounted and possibly the engine. Coming along.
Regarding paint, I'll bring the frame and fork inside today to finish drying near the wood stove. Powder coat would sure be nice and would look great, but it is beyond my meager budget. I have $22.50 invested in two cans of primer and two of engine enamel. Stripper is another $20.00 or so, wire brush wheels for a stationary motor and a couple small ones for the drill are somewhere around another $30.00 or so. Even going on the cheap adds up. On the other hand I will still have the wire wheels and half the stripper for other projects.
Like you guys, I'm thinking about gas tanks. Mine will be cylindrical behind the seat, but how to mount it... with or without a rack? Crosswise or lengthwise? A small tank tucked under the seat or a larger one that actually holds a sensible amount of gas? Refilling a little tank all the time is a pain and limits how far you can go on an outing. This bike is to be a rider, so I'm thinking bigger is better. We'll see. It is not going to leak as I ride, that is a given.
SB
 

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Silver Bear, the blue is perfect. I wonder how many, Is it for sale mister's, you will get when the public sees it.

I thought about redoing the rims on the Monark but here {BC} it's a brake on every wheel and then how do you put a front brake on a wheel that never had one. Thank heavens for Worksman.
I'll give up looks for safety.

The side car is coming together at last. The old measure twice, cut once doesn't work worth a darn when you were wrong the first time. Bad enough that you were wrong once now your wrong twice.
Will try to get a couple of pictures on tonight since there should be more to show than a slab of plywood with a couple of sticks pointing up.

Steve.
 

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Drum brakes? :D

I agree man, that blue is great... made me rethink my color scheme fer a few lol I am so lookin' forward to the sidecar even IF it just makes me want one more o_O Honestly, the more I think on it - the more I want one... aargh! One toy at a time ;)

BTW, I think it's "measure three times, cut twice" anyway, or at least it's always been fer me heh

I got some stuff done, not as much as I'd hoped but that's pretty normal too - here's what 2 1/2 hours of screaming noise, a few smokes, and lead based paint dust will getcha;
 

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My brother comes out every once in a while with how the side car should look.
He's pushing for a lapstrake and an engine hatch so I can get to the batteries. Picture a mini Cris Craft. Anyone else think thats a good idea. Mahogany of course.

Steve
 

silverbear

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Steve,
The lapstrake Chris Craft is an awesome idea! I've always loved them. When I was a kid we had a Dumfrey... lapstrake mahogany deck, much like the more famous Chris Craft boats. They sure don't make 'em like that anymore. Tell your brother he has lots better ideas than my brother.
Barely, the rims look good. What color?
I put the front fork and crank on a little while ago. I see spots in the paint where there's over spray and a bit of drip on the bottom edge, not much, but of course I want for it to have been perfect which it sure isn't. Unless I run you over you'll never see it, so good enough for government work, I say, and time to move on. Rainy weather so not much can get done besides practicing morse code on the fenders and guards.
SB
 

bairdco

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all i need to do is the tank. everything else is done. rear fender, done. custom kill switch, done. shortened up cables, done. chopped up chainguard, done.

pictures? not done. i'll take some tomorrow in the daylight.

stupid tank. i've mocked up 4 of them already. can't make anything look the way i want. i'm running out of cardboard boxes. i'm getting to the point where i'm just gonna carry a gas can in a backpack and run a hose to the tank...
 

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This all-in-one device not only protects you as a NOT approved bicycle helmet, with dual fuel tanks (main & reserve) but also has a headlight for those night cruises! Why bother with three separate, bulky systems when you can just grab your helmet and go!



meh - bairdco I feel yer frustration, I've not even begun the tank. The poor Rollfast frame is just sittin' at work waiting for business to slow down. I've toyed with the idea of just bringing it back home, cutting out the panels and even perhaps seein' if my brazing skill has gotten any better - but that's kinda not the best idea in some ways. We've got alla tools at work to do it right and I've enough other stuff to attend to anyway. I thought about goin' in on a Saturday afternoon after work, but if I can get a tank for free/material costs yet he still gets paid cause he's on the clock... well you can see how that works out well for both of us lol Besides, the poor guy pulls way too many hours in that place anyways.

I just hate "outsourcing" stuff TBH, people wanna help and that's great - but when I ran into motor mount problems with the Schwinn and needed a tiny bit of welding, all in all it set that project back almost a month. No one wanted to take any money cause they're friends... but then again it wasn't exactly "high priority" either. As frustrating as it may be - yer prolly better off doin' it all yerself if you're able.


silverbear - I've never really settled on a color scheme, but I did have a "change of heart" so to speak. The original plan involved painting it at work too as we've got all the spray equipment as well and I was thinkin' along the lines of those old Singer sewing machines - black with the original pattern in "gold leaf" (outlined, not solid), but then I remembered one of the Schwinn lessons... It seems flat-out impossible for me to keep the paint nice despite how careful I am. Between cable chafe, packs rubbing, tinkering with it, and general wear and tear it was only a matter of months before the paint was scuffed, scratched and worn through.

It isn't just because it's powdercoated aluminum, I ride it constantly and I expect to do no less with the Rollfast (except mebbe not the mud, trails, and jumps lol). So I figured I should go with a less detailed paint job and rattlecan so I can touch it up as necessary, even strip and repaint every winter as needed. There's this sweet "graphite gray" made (distributed anyway) by Mercury for their outboards, not only do I like the color - it's a crazy rugged, thick paint. I've used it a bunch and even on unprimed surfaces like the aluminum outboards it was designed for - it just stays stuck. I figure I'll use that as the main color and detail with black (original pattern) and if I ever wanna change the scheme it'd be easy enough.

Besides, that color hides "imperfections" really well and I'm all about that too lol


Right now though I'm hopin' to get these rims painted so I can get 'em laced, I'll feel better once that's done as it's the one thing I really need outside help with (I could ofc use the helmet pictured above fer a tank lol). I was hoping to get the engine built with the shiftkit and all so I could get the motormounts worked out - but the poor guys at SBP are back ordered till about December 11th. One of the things I overlooked was that ofc the rear hub didn't come with a sprocket and I have no idea if I should/can mess with the number of teeth/size to complement the internal gearing and shiftkit... I prolly wont and just get a "stock" size (w/e that might be lol) and just use the shiftkits sprockets for different ranges... but I still need to get one and a chain while I'm at it lol

I'm prolly gonna cruise on over to my friend's house this weekend to see if he's managed to dig up a head/tail "light" set and mebbe a dropstand too, if he's found the light set - that'll give me another, small side project other than wirebrushing to occupy myself as obv I wanna convert them to actual lights. I've only the fenders and rack to clean up - but I'm a lil tired of just stripping paint, I want to switch tasks to keep it fun lol



bairdco, silverbear, fasteddy - MOAR PICS MUHAHAHA!!!! *shakes fist* :p
 

bairdco

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BA, paintwise, i agree. i keep staring at the bike, and i really love the aged look, but somewhere in the back of my mind, i keep thinking of powder coating the same color and restoring it so it looks all brand-y new.

but then, i took a look at my goodyear bike, that's got dirty oil spots all over the back rim, a thin mist of oil and gas on various parts of the frame (it's usually not this dirty, but thanks to my new bike, it's getting neglected,) hack marks and scratches from the motor, chain, etc...

so the Colson is staying the way it is. it ain't gonna be a show bike (although it probably could be,) it's gonna be a daily thrasher. so it's stayin' dirty. if the paint was a little worse, then, maybe...

the goodyear's probably gonna get stripped and semi-restored after this one's done, so i still got that...

anyway, i re-did the front motor mount just now. it was one of those "it's so simple, why didn't i think of that before" ideas that come to me at 3 in the morning.

i'll post the final results here, but i'm gonna make a new thread to show how i did it. (just because i love having people tell me what's wrong with it ;))

gonna start the tank. i think i figured out what i want. my quandry, though, is it's a really nice day, and it's supposed to be nice thru saturday, then rain for a week. i might not have the tank done, and i'll miss out on some riding time...

back to work...
 

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silverbear

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Bairdco,
Clever solution to the problem. It sure looks solid to my eye. And it looks like you didn't have to remove much of the chain guard to fit the motor in there. It makes it look like the motor was supposed to be there... once you've got some miles on it who'd know? (Except us of course.) You're right about the paint. It would be one thing if the bike was for show, hardly ever ridden, etc. Mine aren't like that for sure. By the time I have everything mounted... engine, gas tank, rack, lights and whatever it already has scratches in the paint and that's before racking up the miles and smiles and miles. So, you give it a shot a looking pretty darn good and then ride the **** out of it. I'm amazed at how good my old Americans look from a distance, get thumbs up and lots of second looks as I ride by. But get up close and it's the original paint, rust and dinks in the fenders, scratches and rub marks and so on. So its a compromise if you're going to ride them.
Today I started dismantling the 63 American I brought with me and which I've been riding. It is donating it's motor and the center Y stand to the Elgin (don't have the money right now for new stuff) and will get taken completely apart and stripped to bare metal for a much needed paint job after the Elgin is together. The motor has several hundred miles on it, so I cleaned it up and gave it a black paint job with Dupli color engine enamel. In a few days it will be mounted on the Elgin and hooked up to the Creative Engineering hub adapter and sprocket.
I have a favor to ask. My front wheel is a used Worksman with drum brake, like yours. It appears to be missing a piece of hardware which I am guessing attaches to the front fork to keep the drum in alignment and secure. Could you take a photo of yours so that I can figure out what I need to fabricate. A picture will make it all clear and I can go from there. For now I'm putting the front wheel from the American on it so that I can proceed with assembly. I'm waiting on a new tire anyway, having taken the Worksman tire and put in on the rear wheel since it is such a beefy tire. When you're taking pictures anyway... I'd sure appreciate it.
Also tinkered around with a headlight today which I found in an antique shop ($5.00) and is an older Eveready light that attached to a 12 volt drycell. I removed the lamp assembly from the dry cell mount, gave it mounting hardware from a dead bicycle headlight, drilled out the center of the sealed beam and now have 18 led mini lights crammed in there which are 6 volt and run off of the engine. Also worked on my "shop" area in the woodshed so that I have a better work space and a place to work on the fenders and guards. Hope to do the soldering work soon. Work proceeds, slowly but surely.
SB
 

bairdco

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silver bear, if you mean the clamp that holds the arm to the fork, it's basically the same as a coaster brake clamp, it's just a piece of metal strapping. (which i plan on upgrading after i figure out something cooler to use...)
 

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Sorry I haven't put any pictures of the side car build yet but I have been just to busy building. Taking lots of pictures though so you will be able to follow along.
It is going better than I had hoped for so far. The proof will be when I put the lapstake on it and I don't have to rework the frame.

My brother the pack rat has a bunch of mahogany door frames that I'll split in the band saw and then run through the planner to the right thickness.
It will look like a minnie Chris Craft.

A person could have 3 or 4 of them and change them out for different jobs.

Steve.
 

bairdco

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got the tank chopped out. tomorrow i'll melt it together. if it's not done by saturday, i'm duct taping the peanut on and testing it out. don't wanna sit here for a week while it's raining and stare at it. i gotta know if this backasswards motor works (and so do about 10 other people. i keep getting messages about it.)

oh yeah, picture one, the rear fender. started out as a dark red front fender off a columbia bike. i chopped and bobbed it, then took a torch to it to burn the paint. it matches almost perfect.

here's some other pics.

the devil's in the details...
 

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