European lightweight Motorized Bicycles

[Ludwig II]

1923 113cc Parvus, Italy

1948 Motom, Italy

3 speed Alpino, italy

Pages and pages of Alpino, Italy
https://plus.google.com/photos/117124117306082752107/albums/5411444662468631505?banner=pwa

2005 French, recycled

1933 100cc Peugeot P50 Lady, France

 

[Ludwig II]

Post WW2 Mobylette AV32, France
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33240904@N03/7793784888/

More French weirdness, a folding Stella

1954 Zundapp Diana, Germany

Another French bike

1952 Stella Type VZ, France

Hercules and 60cc Saxonette hub motor, Germany

 

[Intrepid Wheelwoman]

I really like the 1933 Peugeot P50 Lady, - very elegant

 

[Ludwig II]

Go back to the page, and have a look at the Hercules, such functional simplicity.

 

[Ludwig II]

1930 Diamant Model 30, 74cc Sachs, Germany

Late 60s Cazenave Paloma, France

Pre 1939 Wul-Gum (rebadged German Phanomen with 98cc Sachs), Poiland

1955 Bernardet engine, France

Spanish mountain bike with friction driver
http://www.milanuncios.com/bicicletas/bicicleta-a-motor-de-gasolina-67809864.htm

A Genial Lucifer page, France:
http://www.velovintageagogo.com/t236-genial-lucifer

 

[Ludwig II]

Estonian invalid trike

 

[buba]

i have seen some very cleaver vehicles for handicapped persons both manual- gas powered- and electrified

thanks for your continued posting ludwig

 

[Ludwig II]

There was a drive in trike for wheelchair users here, called a Nippi, using one wheel drive from a scooter engine. Suppose to be unflippable. I know a man who rolled two of them.

http://www.icenicam.ukfsn.org/articles2/art0035.html

 

[Ludwig II]

Turkish bike with Minarelli engine, it appears to have old forks (possibly Italian Alba) on a modified modern frame.

British Hercules carrier bike with 80cc Levis (say it Lev-iss) engine

James K54 with 98cc Villiers 2 speed

1.5hp Clement Autocycle

1950s Royal Nord velomoteur, Belgium

 

[Ludwig II]

Spanish page of Setter bikes
http://www.motos-setter.com/modelos.htm

Pages and pages of Guy Linux site, mostly European cyclemotors
http://guylinux.no-ip.com/dotclear/...-des-bicyclette-a-moteur-auxiliaire/2#gallery

ABG engined bike, France

"Rare Dutch moped from 50's. This model was sold as "Avaros Ideal Servo-matic de Luxe". Avaros company, based in Papendrecht (Holland), was named after its creator, Albert van Rossum. They constructed their own mopeds and they also sold under Avaros name other Nederland and German vehicles. Avaros brand is dated from 1951."

German Künsting bike with Ukrainian Dongó friction driver

Peugeot maintaining the French art from of weirdness

1937 Wul-Gum, 98 Sachs in licence made Phanomen frame

Sod it, here's the whole page:
http://www.zabytkowemotocykleirowery.pl/rowery_z_silnikami/pl

 

[Ludwig II]

1954-50 MAW, 50cc, East Germany

1946 Gnome Rhone duralumin bike with 1952 S.E.B.R. engine, designed by P.P. Roussey, France

 

[Intrepid Wheelwoman]

Estonian invalid trike

I love this trike, - it would be so perfect for me to get around now that my balance isn't so good. (Sound of cogs turning in the Intrepid Wheelwoman's head)

 

[Ludwig II]

What are your actual requirements? I can find something that would be a pattern for you.

 

[Intrepid Wheelwoman]

What are your actual requirements? I can find something that would be a pattern for you.

Well I've always liked the French 'Poirier'

As cool as that Estonian trike is the seating would be a wee bit too low for me and I really do prefer something I can pedal as well so I can maintain a level of exercise.

 

[Ludwig II]

Are you fussed about where the load is carried? The European "forecar" type with a largely unmodified bike behind it might be most suitable. Here is a big long link to a Google Image page of bakbrommerfiets from Holland:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?new...d=0CFEQvwUoAA&dpr=1&biw=1066&bih=678#imgdii=_

 

[Intrepid Wheelwoman]

Hum....... now that's something I hadn't thought of before Ludwig.

 

[Ludwig II]

I first saw one of those things nearly 40 years ago, on a coach trip to Gothenburg for a World Speedway final (won for the fifth of his 6 times by a New Zealand Grandfather).

The bakbrommer solves the problem of which wheel to drive, and gives you a bit more presence on the roads. You can steer them by a big handle and a single pivot point, or properly with pivoting hubs, which is probably safest. Lights not strong enough? Carry a car battery in a bolted down box. There are versions with a screen and roof as well for weather protection, NZ has a "maritime" climate, I believe.

"Maritime". Absolutely chucks it down without warning.

 

[Intrepid Wheelwoman]

NZ has a "maritime" climate, I believe.

"Maritime". Absolutely chucks it down without warning.

Oh does it ever! And living not so far away from the coast like I do we get 'chucked down on' on a regular basis.

I already have a conventional tricycle in the form of my electric converted Hercules which is useful for carrying lighter loads and has excellent road presence. The only problem with it is that it really needs a longer wheelbase and a much improved cargo body in order to be a serious cycletruck. Taking a hacksaw and welder to my lovely Hercules is simply not going to happen so now I find myself considering other options.
Thanks for pointing me towards the 'bakbrommer fiets' Ludwig because I hadn't really considered them before

 

[Ludwig II]

I showed my mate Percy a page of them, he likes the idea because it would be a very good tool for going down to his allotment and things like that, as well as being splendid transport when going around festivals.

He also has a niece living in Holland right now. I wonder how much they go for?

 

[Ludwig II]

£1,500-£2,000 roughly, if I read this right:

http://www.advertentiezoeker.nl/q/bakbrommer

He'll have to think about making his own.