98cc Villiers on a 1945 Sears Roebuck
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Thanks Curt. I had watched that one before and still don't have a clear understanding of what is going on. Isn't it a bump start via the pedals?
Dave has another Villiers for sale on the Bay if anyone is looking for one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-Buil...bbc1e36b:g:nXcAAOSwGotWns7F&item=252258149227
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-Buil...bbc1e36b:g:nXcAAOSwGotWns7F&item=252258149227
Late 1930s Francis Barnett 98cc Snipe, pictured, despite the words on the tank, in England a few years back.
Nice. I really like the girder forks and have been looking around for something that would fit my bike or at least would look in proportion. I bought a transmission that should solve a few issues for me. Three speed Albion with a kickstarter and clutch. Pretty rusty but from what I can tell it's salvageable. It's an eBay purchase and I'm anxiuos for it to get here. This is a screen grab from the ad:
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Harold,
I recall seeing a 3 speed Albion gearbox that Fasteddy has, but don't remember how much it is like yours. I was impressed with how robust and well made it was. He might be able to tell you more about what you've purchased. I hope you can get it working. Three speeds linked to that 98CCs should make a fine combination. Vroom...
SB
I recall seeing a 3 speed Albion gearbox that Fasteddy has, but don't remember how much it is like yours. I was impressed with how robust and well made it was. He might be able to tell you more about what you've purchased. I hope you can get it working. Three speeds linked to that 98CCs should make a fine combination. Vroom...
SB
Thanks SB. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it can be brought back to serviceable and maybe even shine a bit. One challenge will be finding gaskets and hardware. I purchased this on eBay from a gentleman in the UK and shipping at a reasonable cost has been a trick. The seller has shipped but it could be another couple of weeks before I have it in hand. Perhaps it will be warm enough in the garage to start tinkering again by the time it gets here.
The transmission I purchased from Dave was a Hurth made in Germany. It was behind a 200cc Villiers engine in a German motorcycle of unknown manufacture from the 1920's. If you Goggle Albion transmissions there is a fairly strong supply chain for them in the U.K. since they were used in motorcycles and light agricultural equipment.
It seems that they were a good transmission and held up well. Here is a link to a parts catalog.
https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=...s.html&usg=AFQjCNFaRhIR97rW3kPNqxcXdTaGWmenPw
Steve.
It seems that they were a good transmission and held up well. Here is a link to a parts catalog.
https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=...s.html&usg=AFQjCNFaRhIR97rW3kPNqxcXdTaGWmenPw
Steve.
Here is a link to the Hurth transmission. Very much like the Albion. Captions are on the bottom of the photos to tell you what it is.
Steve.
http://s866.photobucket.com/user/sp...smission/NikonPictures014.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0
Steve.
http://s866.photobucket.com/user/sp...smission/NikonPictures014.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0
I don't know what your budget is, but I got my New Hudson forks from here: http://www.mopedland.ukfsn.org/
Oops, not an Albion, but a Hurth. Could be that's why it didn't look the same. So much for making investments in me memory bank.
SB
Thanks for the link. I could (and did) get lost in that site for a while! My budget is not very well defined. If I decide to go with a new set of forks then I'd sell my Felt Abraham Linkage forks to cover some some of the cost. If I do I might consider these: http://hbbcinc.com/product/ruff-regulator-fork-black/
Thanks for the link. I'll wait to get the gearbox in hand and start matching things up. Should be soon. Tracking has it in Ohio as of today. Have you built the Hurth into a MB? If so how did you go about mounting it? What about the drive chain?
I'm considering using the bottom bracket on the bike for a jackshaft setup to drive the rear wheel on the right side. No pedals.
Also found this while surfing: http://www.barnstormers.co.nz/?s=Albion&submit.x=0&submit.y=0&submit=Search
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While it's still too cold in the garage especially at night I'm surfing for information. In case the other Villiers owners don't have this, here's a link to a PDF of the engine manual for Mk2 and Mk3 98cc Midget engines: http://www.g1jbg.co.uk/autoculto/pdf/viliersmidget.pdf
Harold,
I haven't built the Hurth into anything as yet. I'm a major pack ratter and when I see something unusual I buy it if I can. I would like to build it into a bike with a Predator 212 engine.
Steve.
I haven't built the Hurth into anything as yet. I'm a major pack ratter and when I see something unusual I buy it if I can. I would like to build it into a bike with a Predator 212 engine.
Steve.
We had a spring teaser here yesterday with temps in the 50's so I spent a few hours in the garage. My frame is back from having the down tube welded in and it looks great. I will need the extra space afforded by the down tube since the exhaust points straight forward on the Villiers. That little engine is pretty heavy so having it low in the frame and close to the bottom bracket should help make the bike handle decent. There's not enough space to squeeze the Albion in between the engine and the seat tube so it will need to go between the seat tube and the back wheel. Space might be an issue so either the frame gets extended or I look for 24" wheels. Maybe both.
The next one step forward, two steps back thing is the fork and headset. The Sears frame has the head tube lugs extending inside the head tube. I'm guessing this was a cost thing to keep it cheap when it as made but the flanges in the head tube interfere with the 1-1/8" fork. Looks like I'll be shopping for a new fork and headset. Good thing this nice weather isn't here's to stay or I'd be getting anxious about progress. While it's still cold I don't mind spending my tinkering time on the Internet.
The next one step forward, two steps back thing is the fork and headset. The Sears frame has the head tube lugs extending inside the head tube. I'm guessing this was a cost thing to keep it cheap when it as made but the flanges in the head tube interfere with the 1-1/8" fork. Looks like I'll be shopping for a new fork and headset. Good thing this nice weather isn't here's to stay or I'd be getting anxious about progress. While it's still cold I don't mind spending my tinkering time on the Internet.
Yep weather was great 65 over here...back to winter today. Have you seen the fork in Labrats Jonny 5 post. It's like the Ruff fork but cheaper. You would have to check details but it's another option.