98cc Villiers on a 1945 Sears Roebuck

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  1. Harold_B

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    So it's been quite a while since I've posted although I've been "around" and I've stayed busy. I'm just getting started on a build using a frame I bought about a year ago. It's a '45 Sears Roebuck made by Elgin. My understanding is that it's a fairly uncommon bike but I intend to hack it up anyway. The down tube is dented and the non-drive side stays are bent, the original paint is gone and it's been black powder coated. There's way too much work and money to put into a restore that it wouldn't be worth it so why not. I also have a section of a mid 1930's Elgin step through frame that I'm planing to use as a donor to replace that dented down tube. I recall someone using the top tube of a step through as the down tube in a drop loop type frame. That's what I'm going for.
    Just this week I finally scored an engine that I thought would be appropriate for the bike and the vintage. It's a 1950ish Villiers 98cc two cycle. I plan to hunt down the S/N for more information although the seller said he brought it over from Australia. My guess is it was originally used on a reel type mower. The photo is from the eBay ad. Any tips on these engines would be appreciated as would pointers on welding/brazing in the frame section.

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    Here's the frame. Rear facing drop outs and rear standard mounts too.

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    Thought this would be just as good a place as any to accumulate links:

    eBay source with frequent Villiers and vintage parts:
    http://www.ebay.com/usr/toys4dwb2?_trksid=p2047675.l2559

    Facebook:
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1481...34467/?fref=ts
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1381...56377/?fref=ts
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/489195994594350/

    Villiers parts and reference:
    http://www.villiersparts.co.uk/
    http://www.g1jbg.co.uk/autoculto/pdf/viliersmidget.pdf
    http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~pattle/nacc/arc0596.htm
    http://www.communitywebs.org/Adelai...dicks-articles/36-villiers-engines-part-1.pdf
    http://www.communitywebs.org/Adelai...ks-articles/39-villiers-engine-part-2--1-.pdf
    http://www.oldlawnmowerclub.co.uk/sites/default/files/opmanual/Atco 172055.pdf
    http://www.outdoorking.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=47262&page=1
    http://www.oldlawnmowerclub.co.uk/sites/default/files/opmanual/Atco Standard.pdf
    http://www.oldlawnmowerclub.co.uk/makehelp/atco/date
    http://www.tanygraig.force9.co.uk/John/vil2strokes.htm
    https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=...engine&usg=AFQjCNHyUZkG6wDnku6XtRuWk6AQuRz9Dg
    http://www.villiers.info/index.php

    British hardware:
    http://britishfasteners.com

    Gas/oil mix recommendations:
    http://motorbicycling.com/showpost.php?p=632782&postcount=138

    Other Villiers build threads here and elsewhere:
    http://motorbicycling.com/showthread.php?t=47993
    http://ratrodbikes.com/forum/index.php?threads/villiers-beach-cruiser.38978/
    http://motorbicycling.com/showthread.php?t=30828
    http://me-moto.com/custom-built-motorcycles/220551-villiers-midget-98-cc-engine-motorbikes.html
    http://motorbicycling.com/showthread.php?t=50335
    http://motorbicycling.com/showthread.php?t=60868

    Albion gearbox parts and reference:
    http://www.barnstormers.co.nz/?s=Albion&submit.x=0&submit.y=0&submit=Search
    https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=...s.html&usg=AFQjCNFaRhIR97rW3kPNqxcXdTaGWmenPw
     
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    Wowser. Keep the pics comin.
     
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    Pics as progress happens!

    Thanks for the FB links. I've requested to be added to all of them.
     
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    Glad to see your post. Yep both are very cool.. Good luck
     
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    Hey, thanks Moto. Long time. Posted the engine I had bought from you some time ago and it sold within a couple of hours. The gent happened to be looking for a Lifan for some time so it's going to make someone happy. I think that's cool.

    Another thing I could use is a tip on using a 1-1/8 threadless fork on this 1" threaded sized frame. Either I need a headset adapter or maybe I just go with a vintage fork. I'm still investigating this one.
     
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    Perfect. I'll get out the calipers tomorrow and double check and if everything looks right I'll order a head set. I had been considering vintage but I'm just not too crazy about old forks on a motorized bike.
     
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    The Sunlite is very similar to the Felt Abraham Linkage I have on hand from my last bike. Very robust and a nice ride. I'm thinking about adding bushings to the pivots to take up some of the slop though.
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    THIS IS KOOL love the home made builds,old school frames. ...........Curt
     
  13. Harold_B

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    Thanks Curt. This will take a while but I'm doing my best to be OK with that.
    Here's a link for Villiers parts that the eBay seller sent to me. I thought I'd post it in case anyone else is messing with one of these:
    http://www.villiersparts.co.uk
     
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    That's Kool,lot of nice parts for them. Silverbear has one of them engines. Doing a build .............Curt
     
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    silverbear The Boy Who Never Grew Up

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    So glad you're doing this build. I'm both a fan of the old Elgin bikes and the Villiars 98cc 2 stroke. I have a build nearly roadworthy using that engine in a 1934 Elgin 4 star step through frame using a Tomos moped suspension fork and a three speed rear hub with shift kit parts from SBP. So, you can guess that I'll be following your build with great interest. Setting up the frame as you envision it will give you a lot more room for mounting your engine with the more swooping down tube. I'm also using that engine on a hybrid trike. No doubt you'll be done with your build before I finish either one of mine.

    A couple of years ago an Australian formum member built a beach cruiser using that Villiars Midget engine which turned out very cool. Harry76 I think his forum name was. Curt will remember it. Intrepid Wheelwoman is also enamored ot that engine and can probably give you some good advice regarding its care and feeding. Good luck with your build and give us lots of pictures.
    SB
     
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    Thanks for the link Curt. As always I'm amazed and just a bit intimidated by SB's projects. The willingness to share the experience from beginning to end is something special as well.

    In my noodling about the web for info I came upon this thread over at RatRodBikes that you had commented on as well. Another great looking ride with a Villiers Midget: http://ratrodbikes.com/forum/index.php?threads/villiers-beach-cruiser.38978/

    I have every intention of benchmarking these projects. They're well done. Not what I have in mind exactly but there are many ideas and solutions I will need. Any other links are appreciated!
     
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    Hey SB! Long time. I just read the entire trike thread start to finish and was typing the reply to Curt when you posted. The link I posted to RatRotBikes is the one you referenced I do believe.

    The oil for the oil/gas mixture for vintage two strokes was a great piece of information. Thank you very much for posting that!
     
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    Yep!

    Harry76 made a right nice ride!

    -Mr. B.
     

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