I love getting THAT look.

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Jasanabia

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Yesterday on my ride from Santa Barbara to Goleta I rode with a a group of about 5 or 6 Harley Davidson bikers for a short time. The one in front rides up next to me and revs forward a few times. At the stoplight I got the comment nice bike man.

It was a 45mph 2 lane street and with the shift kit I could keep up with them.
 

young grease monkey

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i'm 15 and i get mixed "looks" from my inferiors, *cough*, i mean piers. my friends think its awesome, but many are just haters. my bike doesn't look too fancy, the paint is messed up from spilling gas, and scratched up.
 

fasteddy

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YGM,
In other words your bike isn't a garage queen. Help your inferiors put one together and you won't be alone.
There will be plenty of disrespect for all of you.

Steve.
 

happycheapskate

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I like to ride my friction drive bike with cycling groups in Dallas. lol, wow what a reaction! I usually just pedal it with the cycling groups, then motor around to get something to eat or just to ride like a moped. Some riders ask where they can get one, how much, etc. And some (the car-hating fashionable hipsters) make this face like OMG WTH is that!!!! You're killing the planet! rofl

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/omfg-photos-7.jpg?w=500&h=313
 

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This morning i ran to chipotle to get some lunch. since there is no bike rack there, i just chain my bike to the 'handicapped parking space* sign. When i came out i had 3 guys looking at the bike, trying to figure out what it was and who owned it.

I chuckled a little when they just watched me get on and putter off
i love THAT look :)
 

young grease monkey

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my inferiors are the people who think its nerdy, not my friends. one of my friends wanted to buy it from me, but we couldn't agree on a price. a few people might want me to build one for them, but i don't want to scare them away from it by telling em what they are getting into! they are not mechanically inclined people. they would be coming to me twice a day to ask me to fix it again.
 

young grease monkey

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i want to keep the price as low as possible, so no friction drive for me. i will eliminate the chain tensioner, though, and use washers behind the rear mount block to move the engine forward. the tensioner from my bike gave me ****. then i could sell it on ebay! already have a bike, i will have to upgrade pedals and tires, and replace chain. i hate plastic pedals. maybe the brakes too if the bike fix guy in my 'hood has some. he gives me free stuff because he can't put used parts on the bikes he fixes due to liability, and the customers don't want em because, well, they pay to get their bike fixed so they are not enough mechanically inclined to have any use for them. or they are short on time, and not money! he said that most of his fixes are inner tube replace! jeeze....
 

Allen_Wrench

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... And some (the car-hating fashionable hipsters) make this face like OMG WTH is that!!!! You're killing the planet! rofl
You know, I did the math a few months back. I did it many times to make sure. And I'm willing to do it again so I can put up the results in their own thread. If you are using Opti-2 oil at 100:1 mix in your 49 cc two-stroke, you will be burning/using less oil than most five-year-old four cylinder cars on the road - taking into account (for both) gas mileage, average oil usage per gallon over course of year, and even giving the car the advantage of highway mileage.

Even regular old two-stroke oil mixed at 40:1 turned out to be nowhere near the egregious offender that I was afraid it would be. If I recall correctly, it did almost as well as most five-year-old trucks and SUVs currently on the road, as far as amount of oil used/burned per gallon overall.

When one remembers that cars still outnumber us by quite a bit, we really aren't the environmental bad guys we're being set up to be. I respect the intelligent environmentalists, but there are a few who still need to learn to pick their battles.
 

Dan

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i'm 15 and i get mixed "looks" from my inferiors, *cough*, i mean piers. my friends think its awesome, but many are just haters. my bike doesn't look too fancy, the paint is messed up from spilling gas, and scratched up.
You put that thing together. I know at your age the peer thing can be intense but I guarantee you there is more envy then scorn driving any negativity. If the paint job is bothering you, (not any one else) Look up rattle-can paint jobs. Cost ya 10$ or so.

I personally love the hose clamp, bad paint job and put this together look of a rat build. Any one can buy "Fancy" Takes a builder, thinker, tinker and visionary to MAKE some thing cool!

Rock on with yer good self.
(wut? I was 15 in 1980, snork)((and living in an abandoned car. Talk about folks "mixed looks"))

I stole this but "Let your haters be your Motorvators"
 
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Dan

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You know, I did the math a few months back. I did it many times to make sure. And I'm willing to do it again so I can put up the results in their own thread. If you are using Opti-2 oil at 100:1 mix in your 49 cc two-stroke, you will be burning/using less oil than most five-year-old four cylinder cars on the road - taking into account (for both) gas mileage, average oil usage per gallon over course of year, and even giving the car the advantage of highway mileage.

Even regular old two-stroke oil mixed at 40:1 turned out to be nowhere near the egregious offender that I was afraid it would be. If I recall correctly, it did almost as well as most five-year-old trucks and SUVs currently on the road, as far as amount of oil used/burned per gallon overall.

When one remembers that cars still outnumber us by quite a bit, we really aren't the environmental bad guys we're being set up to be. I respect the intelligent environmentalists, but there are a few who still need to learn to pick their battles.
Way OT and please forgive me. Yrs back I attempted the math of what a 2 smoke cost for it's life, if the life span was 7K miles. Worked out to .5 cents a mile @ an average speed of 16 MPH. (Consistently my norm 2 or 4 stroke) But I had failed to include the cost of oil. Yrs later, I have not had a 4 stroke die and do not know how to do the math.

The math would make an awesome thread and I would love to see it. Not from vendors (No offense but 2 smokes do not get 150 MPG and 4 smokes do not get 180 and please stop insulting the community)
But from the troops in the trenches! (Ya know, silly folk like us)
 

happycheapskate

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If I get 25 miles on a tank (tanaka 33), and there are 5 tanks worth in a gallon, that's 125mpg. Close enough! I pulled a trailer loaded with groceries, bogging the motor at low speeds and running it wide open at its mightiest, and got 10mi on a tank. Even 50mpg beats my cars (16,18, 19). I'm not a math expert, but it works for me. Just for the heck of it, I plan to go for a long ride sometime, and see what I get exactly on 1/2 gallon of fuel.
 

5-7HEAVEN

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Way OT and please forgive me. Yrs back I attempted the math of what a 2 smoke cost for it's life, if the life span was 7K miles. Worked out to .5 cents a mile @ an average speed of 16 MPH. (Consistently my norm 2 or 4 stroke) But I had failed to include the cost of oil. Yrs later, I have not had a 4 stroke die and do not know how to do the math.

The math would make an awesome thread and I would love to see it. Not from vendors (No offense but 2 smokes do not get 150 MPG and 4 smokes do not get 180 and please stop insulting the community)
But from the troops in the trenches! (Ya know, silly folk like us)
I LOVE doing stats on my engines!

For an accurate calculation, add fuel to your tank and mark its content, using a dipstick or marking the tank with felt pen. Use a measured distance, or mark the travelling distance with GPS, odometer, etc. Run your bike, then drain your tank and subtract it from how much you originally added to the tank. ORRR, fill the tank back to its original contents. If you travel 10 miles and use 10 oz of fuel, that 128mpg.

FWIW, you might get better gas mileage on flat ground or downhill rides, less mpg fully loaded or uphill routes.
 

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You know, I did the math a few months back. I did it many times to make sure. And I'm willing to do it again so I can put up the results in their own thread. If you are using Opti-2 oil at 100:1 mix in your 49 cc two-stroke, you will be burning/using less oil than most five-year-old four cylinder cars on the road - taking into account (for both) gas mileage, average oil usage per gallon over course of year, and even giving the car the advantage of highway mileage.

Even regular old two-stroke oil mixed at 40:1 turned out to be nowhere near the egregious offender that I was afraid it would be. If I recall correctly, it did almost as well as most five-year-old trucks and SUVs currently on the road, as far as amount of oil used/burned per gallon overall.

When one remembers that cars still outnumber us by quite a bit, we really aren't the environmental bad guys we're being set up to be. I respect the intelligent environmentalists, but there are a few who still need to learn to pick their battles.
Im certainly not going to argue that these bikes are bad, but to be fair i dont think its the amount of fuel used that could be used as an argument that our bikes are bad, but its the amount of pollution created by these little 2 strokes. I recall reading somewhere how innefficient and polluting some old mowers are, and i bet these chinagirls arent any difference.

Im sure the better 4 strokes are a totally different story though.
 

fasteddy

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YGM,I knew who you meant when you said inferiors. Trust me it hasn't changed in the 53 years since I was 15. The do'ers do and the one's that can't put the do'ers down for doing it.
Your also right about your pals. If they can't do it you will sell them a life time of you repairing it because they will beat it up knowing you will repair it and when you don't want to any more you are the bad guy.

Steve.
 

Allen_Wrench

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Way OT and please forgive me. Yrs back I attempted the math of what a 2 smoke cost for it's life, if the life span was 7K miles. Worked out to .5 cents a mile @ an average speed of 16 MPH. (Consistently my norm 2 or 4 stroke) But I had failed to include the cost of oil. Yrs later, I have not had a 4 stroke die and do not know how to do the math.

The math would make an awesome thread and I would love to see it. Not from vendors (No offense but 2 smokes do not get 150 MPG and 4 smokes do not get 180 and please stop insulting the community)
But from the troops in the trenches! (Ya know, silly folk like us)
First of all, I must make a correction. I dug up my notes and discovered something important: SMALLER automobiles do, by a few ounces, use less oil when travelling the same distance as a two-stroke MB, but the pollution factors in when you realize that they burn way more fossil fuel (gas) by comparison. I thought the oil use was the other way around. But as you will see, it's a close call.

Well, Dan, as was mentioned up above there, I also averaged 125 MPG with my 2-stroke (so I didn't use the magical 150 mpg figure because that would be too much optimism). There are 128 ounces in a US gallon. If you use Opti-2, you use 1.28 ounces of oil for each 125 miles that you travel (because at 125 miles you will have used a gallon of fuel).
Now, at 125 mpg, you will need exactly 24 gallons to travel 3000 miles. And you will have burned/used 30.72 ounces of oil along with the fuel you used.

Now then, after talking to the fine men at Jiffy Lube and at Valvoline Instant Oil Change, I tend to find that most 4-cylinder vehicles with more than 5 years of age AND/OR more than 75,000 miles to their credit tend to burn/use on average about 3/4 a quart of oil per oil change. (Some people add a bit more oil before they go in to have it changed though. I am not able to factor that in). That translates to 24 ounces of oil for every 3000 miles a car travels between oil changes. (Most people wait longer than that, I was not able to factor that in either.) BUT, at about 30 MPG (which is good for a 5-year-old car) you'd need to burn at least 100 gallons of fuel to go 3000 miles.

I can no longer find the results I put together on an SUV to MB comparison, using a 40:1 oil/fuel mix with the 2-stroke. But here's the breakdown for the car/MB comparison:

- Motorbikes, 49 cc 2-stroke @ 125 MPG, with Opti-2 @ 100:1 mix-
For 3000 miles you will need about 24 gallons of fuel to burn.
You will also need about 30.72 ounces of oil to burn.

- Average 4-cylinder, 5-year-old Car @ 30 MPG -
For 3000 miles you will need about 100 gallons of fuel to burn.
You will also use, if you are lucky, about 24 ounces of oil.

If you combine the oil used and the fuel burned, the car is the bigger polluter. But it is a close call. Disclaimer: the way most people drive, they are probably not getting a full 30 MPG. To hear some mechanics talk, the way most take care of their cars on average, many 5-year-old cars are likely burning more oil than above. The deck was technically stacked against the Motorbike, but there's only so many ways you can do the figures and come up with anything close to a "right" answer. Make of this what you will. I just did this for fun.
 
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happycheapskate

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I am a big fan of 2 stroke engines, esp small engines (like bikes) and small cars. I think they are not as efficient at idle, which is probably where the "oh they pollute the earth" people get incensed. But while moving under normal operation, they can be highly efficient, esp with new technology like fuel injection, turbos (to prevent "spitting" fuel at idle or deceleration) With no valves and valvetrain, less rotating mass, and a pretty wide useable rpm range on many, they can be quite useful. It is also possible to have 2 cycle engines that have an enclosed oil crankcase (not mixed fuel) but these are primarily large scale diesel engines (18 wheelers, dump trucks), and not common now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijOCDzcbG4k&feature=related
 

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rode to the local hardware store yesterday for some fittings for the bike.

when i came out there was a group of highschool kids out in the parking lot (school must have let out as i walked in)

rode the bike past them and smiled as they all were cheering me on. it continued the whole way home. (it was a nice day out)
 

happycheapskate

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I generally don't like the attention. lol. I rode my bike 110 miles to visit a friend and just to ride the bike (55mi there and then back). On the way there, the cops pulled me over and said I was going to keep getting "suspicious vehicle" calls because "that just ain't normal". haha. When I stopped at a truck stop to get some stuff, a woman in her car watched me like you might watch someone if you hoped to get them in trouble. I bet she was the one who called the cops. No ticket, though, just the usual "what is that thing" and "what are you doing" line of questions.

At the destination (Subway sandwich store and gas station), some people kept asking about the bike, but didn't seem really interested in the website I told them (bike kit seller). I think they were just trying to find out if it was worth stealing to them.
A lot of people ask me about my bikes when I am riding mabs, but they rarely seem interested in actually buying one, or lose interest when I tell them you have to put them together.

For what it's worth I rode 110mi on 1.2 gallons (I know bc. I brought my own gas can the whole way haha) of 50:1 87 octane non ethanol gasoline and Walmart outboard oil. 3 tanks and a little bit to get there, and 2 tanks and a little bit to get back (uphill most of the way there, and downhill back the same route). The engine is a 33cc, and the drive roller is 1.25"
 
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Dan

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LOL Happy. I know what you mean about folks looking as you ride by or the attention. Kinda the "I am having a moment on my incredibly dangerous, home built devise"

Then, the first time I rode a Honda 4 smoke kinda bummed me out. not one person flagged me down to ask about my MB.

My first 2 stroke rides I avoided eye contact. My 1st 4 stroke I was like, "MB here" snork.

One working girl in Hartford did give me a thumbs up though.