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fasteddy

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Hi Harry,
Just got an email from the chap in England and he never sent the motor so I dont know how ebay got the idea that it was sent off.

Someone in Brisbane has a motor for $80 that is out of the mower and he has the petrol tank as well I think. There are two mowers for sale but one is in Sydney and one in Adelaide.

Checked the Post Office rates and 20K/44lbs is $173 by air and $218 express which isn't bad.
That may be two motors in a box with luck.

The two mowers were around $20-$30 dollars each. That way you can rob all the bits that you want and the scrap should give you a small return I would think.
Will get the photo on shortly.

Steve.
 
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harry76

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Thats a shame about your motor, do u mean he hasnt sent it yet, or he isnt going to send it overseas for some reason?

Yeah it seems you can get these mowers anywhere in the $20 - $100's pricerange. The first one i bought was a complete mower for $20. But i was willing to pay a little more because its the much better looking slant head version i have on this bike.

Well like i said if i can help you out by picking up a mower or similar idea dont hesitate to ask
 

fasteddy

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He will send it but the cost will be a lot more than what he thought. Just easier to send it to the repair chap over there and have him repair it so I know it's up and running. No parts or experts over here that I know of.

Looked at the map and Sydney and Adalaide didn't look close to you. Something will turn up within your area I'm sure. Silverbear and I appeciate the offer. Most kind of you.
I just balance the look and cost against the motors we can buy here.

For me it's an old mans hobby. If I wasn't doing this, I'd be chasing old babes up at the senior center and trying to remember why.

Steve.
 

harry76

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Haha this hobby will keep you young. Women will just age you.... wise words

Yeah unless its in Brisbane or surrounding area the freight on a mower wouldnt be worth it. There is the $80 motor you mentioned that i saw, there is a Viliers/Atco mower at $26 with 8 hours to go but its a 4 stroke version. Something will come up so keep an eye out. I will also keep an eye out and let you know. Another option, like you mentioned previously is maybe looking into farm equipment that they may have had these motors in, i havent really looked down that road
 

fasteddy

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Ever notice that they say pick up only with the mowers? Want pull into their yard and say right mate i'm here, pick it up for me will you.

What do those things weigh? My guess is at least 50K or over a hundred pounds.

Steve.
 

harry76

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Haha, Yeah im guessing its pickup only cos these mowers are incredibly heavy and even just as awkward to try and pick one up. I needed a hand to get the first mower i bought in my wagon.
 

harry76

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You did mention you may be able to get 2 motors in a box. I dont know if your heart is set on only Villiers motors, but we have another fairly common old motor available that i dont think you have available over there. You may have seen it but i also scored a 160cc Victa engine, and i think they are available in a 125cc as well. So when you see some of the old Victa reel/cylinder mowers on EBay these are the motors. I think they are also a very nice looking motor but i cant speak for their reliability or power.... but i will find out



 

fasteddy

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At 166cc I can see a motorcycle style frame build. That would get you where your going in short order.
I'm thinking 98cc would fullfill my need for speed at my age.
I would think if they are 50+ years old they have proven themselves to be reliable.

My problem is that I get around with a cane due to youthfull enthusiasm overcame brilliant thought too many times, or as I prefer to say when people ask what happened "they said that horse can't be ridden and I showed them why".

Would like to see what you build with one though.

Steve.
 

silverbear

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It feels like I've just been listening to two old guys passing wind on a park bench. Move over so I can sit down, too.
I picked up Steve's engine yesterday morning in Hutchinson, Minnesota and it's a sweetheart. The seller, Dave, is a collector and rebuilds old motors, scooters, etc. He was in the middle of a Whizzer engine makeover, transforming it into an 11 horsepower animal and immediately launched into minuscule tolerances, bearings, and such I had no idea of what he was talking about. I tried to look wise and knowing as I pretended to listen. I'm not really into Whizzer land at the time, since I don't have one or expect to. But a Villiars is looming large and brightly on the horizon, looking mighty fine to my eye. This one has the complete kick start, everything, and runs! He said the carb needs cleaning and going over, but it is a simple carb and it did run. He also included a carb in the box he said some of the guys are using on them and which bolts right up... the carb from a China Girl, would you believe. This is the one with it's own fuel shut off. Looks like we have many carburetor options open to us. Anyway, I'm looking forward to being done with unpacking my stuff, organizing and settling in. I'm anxious to get out the Worksman Indian and set the Villiars engine out next to it to see how things shape up with the frame. I won't know much until I remove the PK-80 from the bike and attempt to set the Villiars in it's place, but I'll be very surprised it it will fit in there without frame modification. Fantastic it it will. I'll take pictures as I go along and should probably start my own thread on the 1909 Indian tri-car convertible. That's what I'll call the thread and I can stop high jacking yours, Harry.

When I was looking over ebay offerings in Britain I saw that some Villiars were on water pumps, garden tillers and that sort of thing, so that would be another place to look. Having to do a pick up only on a motor attached to a clunk of mower or tiller is a hassle, but the advantage is that it greatly shrinks the number of people interested in fooling with it and who live close enough to go get it... which usually translates to inexpensive. You also meet interesting people on such treasure hunt adventures and who knows what other interesting stuff they might have out in the shed... like say Grandpa's old motorcycle... "don't know what it is, but I think it says 'Indian' on the gas tank. Kind of rusty and the front wheel is wrecked. Knowing him he got drunk and ran it into a tree. Probably not worth much if you want to take a look..." The stuff an old guy's dreams are made of. I'm at that stage of my life where "a beautiful old girl" is referring to something vintage with a piston and two wheels, and not the bent downward headlight arrangement on Betty Lu at the senior center. At least with a bike you can make her look like new again. Ha!
SB
 

silverbear

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Thanks for the links, Harry. I signed up for the forum there so that I can follow his build and hopefully learn something. The photo of the Flying Merkel is cool I see that he is using the bent tabs to join his sheave to the rear wheel, just as you are. Looks good, too, I think.
Yes, the guy in the build thread sure prettied up his motor. No such treatment for mine. I'll polish up the flywheel and kick start and paint the rest with black engine enamel and call it good enough. It will be enough trouble just getting it to work properly... pulley, clutch, jackshaft, belt and sheave... lots to attend to. I'm still not too clear on what is needed for that engine shaft to make it workable. One would think there is a ready made pulley that will attach easily, but I guess not. I'll let you smart guys figure it out and then do what you did.
SB
 

fasteddy

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Just joined up too and invited him to join us over here at the forum.

He took his motor apart and zip tied the rod to the counter weights and turned it at 100 rpm on the lath to turn it down to put the pulley or clutch on and then retreaded the end of the shaft.

He has a video of it running. Sounded good.

Steve.
 

harry76

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I really really like that Merkel bike. Im wondering if that is a clutch cable that you can see going downwards behind the seat tube, and operating that chain idler.

I also like his Jackshaft setup, although i wont have room where his is. I would need to put mine behind the seat tube. And while i dont mind my stock exhaust i will probably end up with a similar exhaust as his.

I also bent up some stainless brackets for the rear sheave. But after some staring i think i may make another lot. I made them 40mm wide out of 3mm thick stainless steel from work. I think 30mm wide will look better and sit in the curve of the rim.
 

Cam Nz

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Whew! that was a read, im liking this bike a lot!

Im the guy from the other forum, building the boardtrack bike

The pto thread on the villiers will give you some trouble, its a special pitch!

Things noted also,

Yes making a kill switch will be difficult, however i think come emergency with its powerhouse of one hp you would stall it fairly easy

The nut in the flywheel is indeed non removable. and it took me a while for me to realise how to get the flywheel off!

The piston on these villiers motors is angled backwards, this seems to cover the exhaust port on the intake cycle i take it, so an expansion chamber might not gather any more power, i think also it might not look and sound as "nostalgic" with one on if you catch my drift

Im not sure on my clutch arrangement at the moment, but with the potential for two engines in the near future, it may be up for a re - design, however i do like the look of your belt drive

I would like to thank fasteddy and silverbear for mentioning this build, i really like it.

Cheers, Cam.
 

harry76

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Thanks Cam. I saw your video on Youtube and thought it was very cool.

Whats the PTO thread? Is that the thread on the end of the crank? If so i already got one machined into the flywheel.

You should post your bike on here. Id be excitd to see yours progress along with mine. Australia vs New Zealand in the Ashes. LOL just kidding. Definitely a cool build and look forward to see what you come up with
 

Cam Nz

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Yes the thread on the end of the crank, i work next to a steelmasters outlet (boltmasters for you oz guys) and the chap there could not identify the thread pitch, was neither UNC, UNF, Whitworth or metric, all he could say was it was a 9/16 shaft size, i machined the thread and taper off and tapped the end with a M12x1.75 thread,

However if i do get the second motor, i plan to use car cambelt pulleys (small ones around 50mm dia) and a cambelt drive to the clutch arrangement, this will also allow me to play with timing so i can get it sounding really mint.


I would love to post a build thread on the site, but its a lot of pages of pictures so it will be a job for a sunday afternoon!

Where are you at with the build at the moment mate?

Cheers, Cam.
 

harry76

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Gotta go back to the bearing shop and buy a couple of pulleys and shaft for the jackshaft. Just been a little busy on other things. I need to get some decently priced steel to make a tank which is proving hard. I may just make it out of alloy as that seems easier to get atm but then i need to get it tigged.

I made some brackets to hold the rear sheave to the wheel but im not sure im happy with them.

Oh and im not sure what size pulleys i need for my jackshaft. Im pretty sure my front pulley is a little large but i dont know what sizes i need for my jackshaft. I need to reduce it.