Velocars and other interesting vehicles.
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moto-klasika
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... and a few of small FIAT coupes, on Topolino basis (engine of 500 cc) or Balila basis (engine of 1100 cc)...
Porblem for all of us that like DIY cars, is that it is almost impossilbe to recreate compolicated closed body! Not to mention to make it smaller and with functional pedals! (to think about hybrid <pedals and small engine> Mochet again!)
Porblem for all of us that like DIY cars, is that it is almost impossilbe to recreate compolicated closed body! Not to mention to make it smaller and with functional pedals! (to think about hybrid <pedals and small engine> Mochet again!)
Zoran
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moto-klasika
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==================BMW Dixi for you then
... papers OK!
... registered!
... and, good running!
Ich comme!
(Ja dolazim ~ I am coming!)
Zoran
P.S.: There was Wartburg, aka Austin-7, aka BMW dixi!
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Intrepid Wheelwoman
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My Dad had a Singer 9, - not the Le Mans model though, it was an open roadster. I put new bearings in the gearbox for him because I used to be good at that sort of thing. A really great car and the single overhead camshaft engine was a nice piece of work.
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moto-klasika
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Hello Anne,[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Ptitauto could be practical hybrid: pedal powered as other Mochet velocars and with additional engine, probably electric-motor(s) for easier obtained legality here in Swiss.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif] With rear wheels 46 cm apart, it would be classified as three-wheeler, which is something easier way. Beside that, construction would be simpler for two persons pedaling, as on Mochet velocars... For the start, make just a running chassis that looks more as bicycle-combination, for better acceptance, then add body...[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]So, we could have 11th example? Here in Swiss, it could be registered as classic vehicle (replica) which is even easier...[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]For sure that we are not without ideas and inspirations![/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Zoran[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]P.S.: Attached are photos with Pititauto reconstruction. Pay attention: chassis had front quarter-eliptic springs?
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]P.S.: Attached are photos with Pititauto reconstruction. Pay attention: chassis had front quarter-eliptic springs?
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Anne,
I worked for a chap that had a Singer that looked like an M.G.TD from the late 40's or early 50's. When he bought it it had a Volvo engine in it because finding an original engine was impossible in the U.S. Just a fun car to drive.
I would have loved to have seen one that was original.
Steve.
I worked for a chap that had a Singer that looked like an M.G.TD from the late 40's or early 50's. When he bought it it had a Volvo engine in it because finding an original engine was impossible in the U.S. Just a fun car to drive.
I would have loved to have seen one that was original.
Steve.
Hello Zoran,
Looking at the first photo you posted the steering spindles look to be made from shovel handle ends. It would be a great velo car to make and you would be out of the weather.
I still have the Sachs 98cc engine with the two speed transmission that would fit in nicely.
Steve.
Looking at the first photo you posted the steering spindles look to be made from shovel handle ends. It would be a great velo car to make and you would be out of the weather.
I still have the Sachs 98cc engine with the two speed transmission that would fit in nicely.
Steve.
Intrepid Wheelwoman
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Wood framed and covered with plywood Steve
I'm not going to be able to look at shovel handle ends with innocent intent ever again
moto-klasika
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Hello Steve,[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]That could be possible! [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]On my HPV-quadricycle I used as much as possible parts and components off-the-shelf, produced for quite different use... Didn't make anything special - workshops here are rare and should be tremendously expensive even for the simplest work! … and, I do not have neither special tools nor knowledge for machine-shaped parts...[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]That could be possible! [/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Sachs of 98 cc should be welcomed! That was great European class for ultra-light motorcycles that later during fifties developed to mopeds with 49 cc! With Sachs engine I would fall in class of heavy motorised quadricycles![/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Ptitauto is interesting for me as mixture of velocar and true micro-car! Simplicity is the same and probably economical build, too.
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]We shall see: present HPV-quadricycle is still on ice, I didn't manage to test it before my birthday, then before Christmas and before the New Year. (Orthodox Christmas passed and "Serbian" New Year shall pass too. There is no snow in Swiss, but work at garden-cabin veranda isn't pleasure affair now.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Zoran[/FONT]
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moto-klasika
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=============================Wood framed and covered with plywood Steve
I'm not going to be able to look at shovel handle ends with innocent intent ever again
Anne,
I could not see well, is the rails of chassis made of steell tubes or wood girders?
For me, dilemma should be: separated and independent chassis and body, or made chassis in unit with body including coupé top - making stronger monocoque shell?
Still a lot of time to think!
Just one dilemma more: for speeds up to 15-20 mph - would aerodynamic of a body be important! Boxy cabin could give a lot of wind resistance, but how much it is important on slow speeds? (seating side-by-side - width of cabin around 3 feet, height the same)
Zoran
We have a couple of garden forks that have seen far better days and I was down the back of the garden measuring them this morning and looking at the possible strength of them. Forgot to check the diameter of the handle to see if there was a pipe or tubing that would fit but it would make a very easy front axle with bolts through the rivet holes to hold it in place.
Go Kart spindles are available ready made in different sizes to save welding. Yes, I'm looking at garden fork handles with less than the purest of intent but it's all in the search for the ultimate velo car.
Now I feel like the Artful Dodger.
Steve.
Go Kart spindles are available ready made in different sizes to save welding. Yes, I'm looking at garden fork handles with less than the purest of intent but it's all in the search for the ultimate velo car.
Now I feel like the Artful Dodger.
Steve.
Zoran,
I was wondering about the aerodynamics myself but I would doubt that it would make any noticeable difference at low speeds. I would think that the windscreen could be tilted back at an angle or made in a V'ed shape but the effort would not be worth it.
They were made to be simple to make and rugged construction.
Steve.
I was wondering about the aerodynamics myself but I would doubt that it would make any noticeable difference at low speeds. I would think that the windscreen could be tilted back at an angle or made in a V'ed shape but the effort would not be worth it.
They were made to be simple to make and rugged construction.
Steve.
Anne,
Thank you. You are a fountain of knowledge. It would be a relatively simple build I think though I said that about the tri car as well. It could be powered with a lawn mower trans axle with gears and a gas motor or an electric motor. Another choice might be a garden tiller with the axles in place of the tines. That way the axles would be removable should a problem arise.
The frame seems to be square tubing with the outside edge cut back to gain access putting the bolts through to hold the springs in place.
Are there any plans to give an idea as to size?
Steve.
Thank you. You are a fountain of knowledge. It would be a relatively simple build I think though I said that about the tri car as well. It could be powered with a lawn mower trans axle with gears and a gas motor or an electric motor. Another choice might be a garden tiller with the axles in place of the tines. That way the axles would be removable should a problem arise.
The frame seems to be square tubing with the outside edge cut back to gain access putting the bolts through to hold the springs in place.
Are there any plans to give an idea as to size?
Steve.
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The actual chassis is made from steel Zoran. The body is made from wood.
There isn't much information around on these Ptitauto vehicles Steve. From what I've read they are supposed to be a little larger than the Mochet velocars, but by how much I don't know.
http://microcar.e-monsite.com/blog/ptitauto-mochet-1933.html
There isn't much information around on these Ptitauto vehicles Steve. From what I've read they are supposed to be a little larger than the Mochet velocars, but by how much I don't know.
http://microcar.e-monsite.com/blog/ptitauto-mochet-1933.html
Steve if it were me i would look for a belt drive hydrostatic lawn tractor. Just engage and push the pedal for gear changing, no shifting. Like the Simplicity i have 12 hp twin Briggs belt tightening clutch. There should be a lot of them around now ................Curt
Curt,
I was able to enlarge the photos on the computer and they built a rectangular frame of the same steel that they used for the frame to mount the motor and transmission unit. The frame was welded to the underside of the rectangular frame.
The lawn mower unit would be great since it could mounted whole into the frame. With a 12hp engine you should be able to get to the store and back quickly.
The additional photos Anne posted show off the body shape to an even angle.
Number 11 is possible I think.
Steve.
I was able to enlarge the photos on the computer and they built a rectangular frame of the same steel that they used for the frame to mount the motor and transmission unit. The frame was welded to the underside of the rectangular frame.
The lawn mower unit would be great since it could mounted whole into the frame. With a 12hp engine you should be able to get to the store and back quickly.
The additional photos Anne posted show off the body shape to an even angle.
Number 11 is possible I think.
Steve.