least expensive bicycle engine modification for performance

paul

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what makes a motor run? a spark igniting fuel. probably one of the most over looked things to give a motor good performance is the spark plug wire. The only kits i know of that come with quality plug wires is the ones Chris hill sells at http://www.chrishill.myknet.org/ and also whizzers which motorbikemike has at http://www.simpsonmotorbikes.com/. most of your cheap kits have a very cheap plug wire with them. if you have a need for speed start with some of the basics like a good plug wire. it will make a difference. i know when i changed mine it made a world of difference
 

MotorbikeMike

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Hi, My kits (even Chinese) all have copper core, plenty good enough! However, there is a new spark plug that's called "Iridium" which is said to make a Whizzer start, idle, run mid-range, and top RPMs all better, smoother etc.

I have yet to try them, as I needed to order it, and was not in the mood, I wanted to pick one up locally.

Any small engine should be able to get appropriately similar results, 2 or 4-stroke alike.

Easy to interchange the NGK number part number that we've developed for the engines.

Mike
 

paul

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do you have a model number for which plug that is. i will have to give it a go on my chinese motor
 

Andyinchville1

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Re: least expensive engine modification for performance

Hope this post is not too far off base (I realize that the thread is aimed at achieving better speed through engine performance enhancinhg techniques) so these are my thoughts:

Stock my dax 70 runs pretty well....no real complaints as far as smoothness or power (given the cost of the engine)....Of course we all want better tho!

I did several speed runs (stock engine) and pulled the plug to note it's color....the color was the optimal brownish tan color (for info on color reading you can look online for various photos).....so for my particular engine the spark plug did not appear to be an issue....I have experimented with the smaller Champion CJ7 and CJ8 plugs (they are way shorter than stock and would help in tight installs (you have to change the coil wire thou since the tips on the Champions don't screw off or at least mine didn't want to and the stock wire would not slip over the tip of the Champion).....There is a plug out there that claims to increase spark power but I can't remember what it was off the top of my head....I think it was the E3 by Champion but I could be wrong....

Although I haven't finished working on my custom air intake I have seen the potential for vast improvements here (my intake would utilize the idea of ram tuning the intake charge and since it would be angled to allow the carb to easily clear the seat tube we would be able to run a better air filter (most likely an open element oiled cotton gauze unit such as a K&N Air filter....Of course with some input from Paul (AKA Cruiser) the other opportunity would be for a nice air filter housing to be made in liu of the factory restrictive and rather plain plastic unit....Better filtration makes for longer engine life and the cover may be needed since many use their powered bikes as daily transport through the rain etc...

I have thought about the boost bottle theory and I believe they work BUT I have not implemented the bottle on my intake yet since I want to optimize the runner lengths and diameters before introducing another factor (i.e. the boost bottle itself) into the equation
....FWIW by drastically increasing the intake runner length (in one case to as long as nearly 24 inches), I was able to vastly improve low end torque.... unfortunate by product though was no mid or top end....thus I have to tinker more for a more balanced solution....BUT the increased runner volume did show that the boost bottle (which effectively can be viewed as a volume increaser) should work.

For some (assuming enough clearance to put on a free flowing K&N type filter) one can simply enlarge the carb jet by reaming CAREFULLY....and enjoy enhanced performance with minimal $$.

I am also currently tinkering on a tuned pipe for our bikes (modeled for the Dax 70 in this case since that is what I currently run) and will soon post some pics here for you to see the prototype....have to get some tubing manufacturers to see what they would charge me to have the custom made header pipes bent).....I am very tempted to order Dax's new performance muffler just to see how much better it works VS stock BUT I do realize that it is still NOT the more optimal tuned pipe / Expansion chamber set up for max power / performance....But then again if it does yield some performance it is only $20!...So bang for the buck it may be good!

OF course that brings me to my last point and the reason for my opening paragraph... basically I realize that intent of this this thread is to enhance bicycle performance via engine mods economically, BUT I feel that the best overall speed improvement for the $$ can be had by regearing the drivetrain.

As a rule of thumb for each tooth off the 44T sprocket you remove on a 26" wheel you will pick up 1 MPH in speed....Not only that but you will reduce engine RPM's for any given cruise speed thus lessening engine wear and tear and more than likely improve MPG's.....like running an overdrive in a car VS screaming along without the overdrive on....well you get the idea....

As a FYI - I have run my Dax 70 on my Trek 7000 prototyping bike up the steepest hills here in Charlottesville (36T sprocket) with no problems....without the tuned pipe the
36 T will go up the hills but will bog a bit.....With the Tuned pipe 36 T combo, I can achieve 34.4 MPH at approximately 6300 RPM ( I use a digital speedo and Sen Dec electronic tach with max RPM and speed storing features) and run up any hills faster than than my other stock bike with the stock 44T.....NOTE: while the engine may be able to spin faster I personally think mine doesn't feel like she'll last very long at the higher speeds so my emphasis is on gearing higher (more speed for a given engine RPM) and developing parts and methods to allow the engine to develop more power in the Less than 6000 RPM area.

In summary, I feel that gearing higher (fewer teeth on the rear sprocket) will net the most benefit for the $$ spent....I say this not just because I manufacture custom sprockets but because I don't know of any $50 engine mod that can net you an increase in speed of 7 or more additional MPH in speed without unduly sacrificing reliability / longevity of the engine...Of course I am always open to ideas though and that is the reason we are all here.....Have fun tinkering!

Andrew
 

RedB66

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Re: least expensive engine modification for performance

Good info Andrew...On my stretch I have the luxury (enough room) to run a K&N stlye air filter and and I also have a 32T sprocket from Kings Custom. I am able to achieve 40mph. I attribute the majority of capablity to the sprocket. Having my first bike (The orange one) set up with a 44T sprocket as my comparison. The stretch cruises at 25-28mph at a considerable lower rpm. I dont run either bike at max throttle (I have, but not for any length of time), both bikes run the same NKG plug with Belder 7mm Premium Wire. I have ordered the new muffler from Dax in hopes of allowing the engine to breath a little better. I will update when I install it.
 

Andyinchville1

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Re: least expensive engine modification for performance

Thanks Red....Looking forward to your evaluation of the new high performance muffler from Dax.
Andrew
 

Bikeguy Joe

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Re: least expensive engine modification for performance

I'll throw in optimize your engine for best performance.

I mean make sure your mixture is as close to perfect as can be with these funky carbs, replace you Chinese plugs with a good name brand plug and remember- by "performance" I mean these engines are/were designed to get a mechanically challaneged third worlder around for a little gas and a minimum of maintenance!
 

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Re: least expensive engine modification for performance

Exhaust mods. help quite a bit I'm sure someones told about taking the gutts out of the muffler. I've run across to different styles one with the baffle screws on the side remove the screws and cut off the 1/2" pipe and reinstall it a little more noise but not bad. The other type has one screw on the bottom of the muffler right in the middle. Take it apart and saw off the long tube and reinstall an TADA more power and a little more noise. You can dab a small amount of sicilone where the muffler goes back together as it helps stop some of the ounburned oil streaks.
Another easy mod is remove the sparkplug and using a dremel cut the ground electrode to a v shape this uncovers the electrodes so the flame curnel is exposed better to the fuel mixture which permits better combustion of the fuel.
Another easy mod is raise compression remove the head and replace the stock gasket with a thinner one( home made) special material also
And I make my own pipes for the exhaust and my own boost bottles.
easy to do if you have a welder and lathe for the last two.
Norman
 

Pablo

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Re: least expensive engine modification for performance

Awesome info.

The closest NGK Iridium plug to fit the 80cc Chengines is BR6HIX, which is two steps cooler than the recommended NGK BR4HS (B4HS). Might be too cool though and foul.....

After I get it running, I may research some exhaust mods. My buddy made a copper exhaust manifold unit.

Also, as mentioned a well tuned carb with a slightly oil rich mix (and air/fuel mix to match) will eek out a tiny bit more power.
 

deacon

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Re: least expensive engine modification for performance

How about just drilling holes in the muffler to allow the engine to breath better. I have no idea if it would work but someone here should know.
 

paul

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Re: least expensive engine modification for performance

i drilled a couple holes in the pipe that goes through the muffler. made it a little louder but didnt notice any change in performance
 

MotorbikeMike

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Re: least expensive engine modification for performance

Hi all, any piston engine is merely an air pump. Efficiently bringing in the right amount of air, and then discharging it is primary.

"Port Matching" is easy and cheap with a simple tool like a Dremel.

Cutting on the factory mufflers will only make the engine noisier, has been my experiance. Sadly, the extra noise makes most people think that power and speed has increased, when in most cases only the noise has.

The Poo-Poo pipe MAY improve performance, if not, it certainly sounds better to me (I've got a couple left).

The big carborator CAN improve idle, midrange, and top end a bit, and even if the bike is not faster, you can do a much better job tuning. (in stock also).

A colder plug almost always helps 2-strokes.

Tuned exhaust works, but typically is set for Low, Mid, or upper, at the expense of the rest of the Power Band.

Low to Mid is more important to the function of these bikes, since most have no shifting abilities.



Mike
 

deacon

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Re: least expensive engine modification for performance

So back to the lawn mower muffler. If I chop off the stock muffler and weld the intake to a lawnmower muffler and attach that it won't make any difference at all. Cool

Course it will look like crap.
 

Andyinchville1

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Re: least expensive engine modification for performance

HI Deacon,

I suppose in a restrictive exhaust system, drilling an additional hole or enlarging the existing hole would help but it appears that the stock muffler is adequate in terms of flow (of course assuming the baffle is cut per Dax instructions).

I believe Red did a test of the new High performance muffler from Dax and did not find any performance increases (the new muffler had a larger diameter header and exhaust opening).

A properly designed/made tuned exhaust/expansion chamber is the exhaust of choice when looking for performance increases.

Andrew
 

paul

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Re: least expensive engine modification for performance

they are on dax's web site. i did the mod and all it did was make then engine louder. i saw no change in power
 

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Re: least expensive engine modification for performance

Here is whats in a 80cc kings muffler. You can drill more holes or cut off the 1/2 pipe will make more noise and as for perf?
 

Norman

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Re: least expensive engine modification for performance

Her's what inside some 70cc mufflers with just the center bolt. the 1/2" pipe's been cut off I layed a 1/2" pipe beside it so you can see what it should look like before its cut.