Thanks map. Very helpful. And yeah I did call the raw people. No answer each time. The eBay sites you mention don't specify a name or manufacturer. The kits look like raw kits with the exception of the obvious grubee kits. I have not found a way to cancel the raw order so I'll just have to return the box within the specified 24 hours. How do they expect you to be able to build a bike and test the engine within 24 hours of receipt anyway? Oh well lesson learned.