Dual Drive Freewheel on OCC-XL Choppers

Ok now I have a challenge I'm thinking about running a Left Hand / Right Hand Dual Drive Freewheel on my OCC Chopper & XL Chopper Builds.

Here's a few pic's or rear wheel left side & right side. The right side has a freewheel sprocket and I'd like to add a freewheel sprocket to left side.

Why?

Answer: If this is possible I won't have to use a jackshaft to switch honda 4-stroke 50cc pit / dirt bike drive train to right side rear freewheel sprocket.

I would in then have two or a Dual Drive rear freewheeling HUB / Wheel.

I would still have my pedal power driven right side rear freewheeling sprocket, and on the left side I'd have a motor driven rear freewheeling sprocket at the rear wheel !!! YEAH !

The reason I'm trying to do this is that with the chinese cloned honda pit / dirtbike engine, when you place it into the frame the engine drive sprocket lines up almost perfectly with rear wheel axle.

On the OCC Choppers & XL Choppers you have almost 1-1/4" thats one & one quarter inches of free space on left side of rear wheel and the Hub appears to have flange diameter of 1-1/4"s also.

If anyone has suggestions or know where to purchase these please share this info.

Here's the pic's of XL Chopper rear hub & wheel:


Notice all this space / room for a possible left side drive freewheel sprocket.




Peace Crazy Horse.

CoastalCruiser said:

I may be going out on a limb here, but, Iv'e seen hub adapters for OCC hubs. The only real reason to jackshaft is to use a shifting hub ( or to deal with an offset). Are you planning on installing a multi-speed cassette or hub in the OCC wheel?

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What I'm trying to do is not use a jackshaft on a chinese cloned Honda CT 70 / Mini Trail 50 engine, and I'd like to find a dual drive dual freewheel sprocket.

Here's a pic of the motor on a Honda CT 70 Trail Bike & a pic of i-paints Stretch Micargi with same type of motor only he has used the jackshaft option:



Here's i-paints Stretch Micargi using same type motor, but with a jackshaft:




Hope that explains it, not going to use multi-speed cassette.

The chinese cloned Honda engine I'm using is a fully automatic transmission, with a fixed motor driven sprocket mounted on rear wheel I won't be able to pedal the bike as the motor driven side will spin.

Thanks for the reply CC.

C.H.

TerrontheSnake said:

I am watching this thread for an answer as well. I will also try to do some research into the subject because I have similar needs

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Here's pic of a BMX Dual Drive Hub:


This one is a Left Hand Side threaded & Right Hand Side threaded:


Terron I'm hoping that Jim ( Manic Mechanic / Creative Engineering ), and Neat Times ( Ron ) see this thread and offer any suggestions, as they both have experience with freewheel sprockets.

I'm not sure those two Hubs above will be compatible with the OCC Chopper & the XL Chopper!

I called Jim today and I'm waiting to hear back from him.

C.H.

I'm so confused right now, regarding the fully automatic chinese cloned Honda CT 70 Trail Bike motor.

Why? Ok with my Lifan semi-automatic 4-speed 110cc, if the engine is off it must be in neutral to roll the bike, just like any other motorcycle.
I'm curious if I just mount the Manic Mechanic hub adapter the chain drive on engine will spin the chain and rear wheel whenever the bike is rolled using the automatic 50/70cc.

Question: Anyone know will the fully automatic, if the engine is off will the transmission be in first gear or being that its fully automatic 3-speed will it be automatically in neutral and allow rear wheel to spin freely?

I'd really like to find someway to make this dual drive dual freewheel application work!

If I understood correctly ( Ron ), aka Neat Times say's yes just have to take hub off bike/wheel and take to machine shop and have left handed threads cut in left side of hub.

If this is the case consider it done, I'll pull the wheel and remove the spokes, and let the machine shop have at it. While this is being done I'll shop a new set of spokes 12-gage.

"QUOTE FROM NEAT TIMES,
If You Could Get The Left Side Threaded How Many Tooth Sprocket Would You Need On The Back Wheel?

If You Are Good At Assembling Wheels With Spokes, Then It Is No Proplem.

Take The Wheel Apart And Get The Hub Threaded, (do All you Have At A Time,cheaper Once The Machinist Is Set-up. Lol)

There Should Be A Lot Of Places That Could Do The Hub Without The Rim..

When You Take It To The Machine Shop You Need A Left Hand Free Wheel Sprocket With 16 Teeth.

So He Can Open Up The Center Of You Large Driven Rear Sprocket to fit nice on the free wheel. And See If It Screw`s On the wheel hub Nicely.

A File Will Not Even Scratch The Hardened Free Wheels.

The Threads Should Be Cut As Close To The Spokes As Feasible, Then You Can Use The Nice Spacers In The "cvt Rack Mount"

To Keep The Threads From Bottoming Out And To Help Align Your Sprockets.

You Can Also Mount The Large Sprocket On The Inside Or Outside Of The 16 Tooth Free Wheel Teeth For Alignment. If You Do A Good Job I Can Send You My Wheel`s!
END QUOTE"

Neat Times I plan on using either the 28 or 29 Tooth rear sprocket for either 428 or 520 Chain,
should I take this to machine shop also with your suggested LEFT HAND THREADED 16-TOOTH FREEWHEEL SPROCKET to make sure it screws or threads onto new threaded left side!

If anyone has suggestions for this idea please share them, I think if this works it could become really popular, I know it has for Neat Times as I believe he was the first to do this on some of his other builds.

Neat Times please let me know if I got all this correct cause I'm ready to pull this wheel on the XL Chopper and while I'm at it I'll pull the OCC Stingray Chopper and have it done at same time!

Let me Know ASAP please & Thanks to everyone interested and their suggestions just waiting for Neat Times to say if he thinks this will definitely work and then I'm off to see the wizard of The Machine Shop

That's all I got for now, Peace Crazy Horse!!!!

Neat Times & Civlized I like all the information that is being genarated due to this thread!

I think that as Civlized has shown this is a possible alternative!

But my first choice is still the freewheeling sprocket!

Question for Neat Times: So in my previous post I was hoping that you would confirm my understanding of what you posted.

If I'm correct you stated pull the wheel remove spokes from hub and take to machine shop have them thread Left hand threads onto it and give the machinist a 16 tooth left hand threaded freewheeling sprocket to make sure they work and that they be (24 TPI ) threads per inch, and should it be threaded all the way tight against the Hub Flange!

If this will work I'm psyched up for this option and if this Idea suggested from Neat Times say's it's not feasible, well then there's the second option as suggested by Civlized with the HyBriPed.

Waiting for reply's to this crazy thread....

Crazy Horse!

Let me get this right just buy this one ( Freewheel Sprocket & HD Axle Kit w/Brake ), from bicycle-engines and have the threads machined on My OCC Stingray Chopper & my XL Chopper and I'm going to be very happy.

Tell me yes!!!


Let me know please! I'm waiting for your reply's!

Thanks Crazy Horse.