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Aftermarket or"replacement" parts can be tricky, I replaced the defrost board in my son's heat pump with a updated replacement, the new board had half the components of the original and the main connector was 180° out. I had serious doubts it would work, I did order the matching defrost sensor and the combo works.
 

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My standard answer was anything can be repaired. How much money did you bring. The look on most peoples faces was classic but some of them understood what I was saying.

Yes, it can be repaired but it won't be inexpensive. I usually saved it for the furniture that Mr. Fix It had a run at first.

Steve.
 

EZL

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EZL, both my Grandfathers were farmers. Maternal side was Elmer Olson, I inherited has mechanical skills. He always said he was a Jack of All Trades. Paternal Grandfather Carl Peterson, dairy farmed to the end and I was put in his service every summer from the age of Ten until he died. When his Good Wife gave up her egg money business Carl took over the chicken coop. It had a cement floor and made it a work shop. Needless to say, he have me a free had at what ever was on the farmstead. It went both ways, When Carl was down with pneumonia. I milked and cared for 8 Guernsey's and Jerseys'. Grandma washed the milkers. Because she was particular. Cousin Arvid gave me my first motorcycle ride at age 4. It is a clear now as it was then.
Tom
Yeah Tom, thos were the "good-ole-days" I was raised on a farm and we raised 430 head of cattle and a couple hundred hogs.
My Dad built a automated conveyor to feed those big brutes. He had farmers all over this are visit to see his operation. He was
from the old land Germany and mechanical skills were nothing to him he taught me a lot being around him. Biggest mistake we
got into was trucking and he build his own equipment for working on the Cummins engines. He hauled cattle before he went with
the diesel engines and had an old GMC gas hog which caused him more problems until he realized he needed something more
dependable like the diesel engines in his trucks. He went with the ole International 2000 with the 220 Cummins and it was alright
until he and I decided to haul grain with the trucks. That engine was a pooch compared to the Detroit 318s. He and I decided to
change that 220 Cummins to a 262 with a turbo the difference was night-and-day with power! That old 2000 would out pull even
the tractors running the 250 Cummins and a 318 Detroit could touch it pulling. The livestock industry took a dive and we ended
up farming and trucking grain. I bought a 350 Cummins in a International 4300 and drove it for several years. He always wondered
why I wanted a 350 until he realized the mileage was better than the 290s and 250 Cummins. Just before he passed away he had
a 350 Cummins which was turned up on the pump. I got out of trucking because every "Tom-Dick-and-Harry" started getting into
the hauling and messed up the prices. I had a friend of mine and Dad weasel his way into hauling for the elevator and messed us
up getting the hauling. My Dad had converted the old pole barn over to a machine shop with a nice concrete floor and a used oil
heater he built to heat the building. The oil came from the diesel engines on the trucks from oil changes. My Dad had a corn sheller
operation and I was hauling grain to the elevator at 14 with and old International tandem axle truck for him. I never got stopped by
and policemen since we weren't around them and there wasn't that many on patrol. The farmers were more tightly organsized
and a policeman messing with them would cause big problems in the community. One cowboy state trooper thought he could
harass the farmers hauling into the elevator during harvest season on axle over weights and he got shutdown by the elevator
manager and was told he was trespassing, causing delays with the grain unloading. I hope the idiot lost his job!

When I got out of the service I worked in a machine shop that is still in business and then went to Modine Manufacturing building
commercial air conditioning/heating systems. That company shutdown and relocated and I doubt if they are doing the same work.
I've got a background in electronics and worked in it for well over 30 years but that market has nose-dived and it is now a
plug-and-play market where a fella doesn't need to have the practical background/tech school experience to repair equipment.

Not many farmers in the area have any milking operations. Most of the farmers in this are are farming at least 1,000+ acres
and they wouldn't have a clue how to do it the old way since they have gone to mechanized expensive equipment. They are
lazy and haven't a clue about how to plant corn/beans using the old tractors with no cabs with the dust flying. I've been there
and done it! They now run through the fields with GPS steering, electronic sensors that monitor the combines in air conditioned
cabs. That's the same for the planting on the tractors. I would say, that most all of the farmers today wouldn't have a clue on
how to work on the older combines/tractors since the new equipment has been computerized---->what a mistake! I have always
wondered how the County is going to do in a serious war where there's no cellphone service, GPS is nonexistent because of
a EMP hit the country? I am pretty sure you know what I mean.
 

EZL

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Aftermarket or"replacement" parts can be tricky, I replaced the defrost board in my son's heat pump with a updated replacement, the new board had half the components of the original and the main connector was 180° out. I had serious doubts it would work, I did order the matching defrost sensor and the combo works.
They probably are build in the same factory and possibly better components added with better ratings? Good to hear you got it working!

Tom and Greg, I had the first failure on the bearings on the ^^&^^$#W#_ rinky-dink rear axle assembly on the bike today. Those small
hubs and bearings wimp out on a 212cc even being babied! I doubt if the 1.5" axle assembly would be any better with the coaster brake.
What I need to know, will the bearings and races in the aluminum mag wheels handle this torque monster? I don't ram this devil around
and I really doubt they would? I ran into town which was a 7 mile run and noticed chain noise and a wobble on the rear especially after
hitting a pavement bump. I noticed the wheel was doing some wobbling and nursed the bike over to a friend's house. Looks like the
bearing completely went bad. I have been waiting for something like this on that wimpy cassette axle and it's bearings. I still have the
old bike with the 49cc and never had any problems with it but it also has a coaster brake and the larger bearing assembly. I regreased
the new one when I got the bike to make sure that it had enough bearing grease but I really doubt that a 1" hub and small bearings
are good for the long haul.
 

EZL

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EZL. Call Dan @ 661 341 0192. MotoMagz had him build most of his current 212cc Excelsior build.
Pat at Sportsman Flyer mentioned using a Shimano hub beefier than the Shimano 110 that is a stock Worksman wheel offered on everything up to his 160cc builds.
Tom
Thanks, I'll give him a call. I had a friend bring me and the bike home in a Dodge Ram Hemi and I swear that truck is an older truck
but it rode better than my friend's newer Ford car! I know I will never own a darn car, only a pickup which is practical again!
 

Tom from Rubicon

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Assembled the Sportsman Flyer Reduction drive today.
The 35a13 sprocket bore was a little small. Put it back in the machinable emergency 5C collet and took another .020" out of the ID. It was dragging on the pedal shaft. Not no more. all is free and good. Looks like I went too tight on the 35 chain. I set it up at zero movement of the motor mount. assuming that it would not take long the get the desired slack. Pats chain don't stretch for beans. A half line would do. Otherwise it's two links and most likely at max adjustment of the motor mount. Photos of Indians with a similar reduction transfer drive all show a little droop.
Tom
 

Tom from Rubicon

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Yeah Tom, thos were the "good-ole-days" I was raised on a farm and we raised 430 head of cattle and a couple hundred hogs.
My Dad built a automated conveyor to feed those big brutes. He had farmers all over this are visit to see his operation. He was
from the old land Germany and mechanical skills were nothing to him he taught me a lot being around him. Biggest mistake we
got into was trucking and he build his own equipment for working on the Cummins engines. He hauled cattle before he went with
the diesel engines and had an old GMC gas hog which caused him more problems until he realized he needed something more
dependable like the diesel engines in his trucks. He went with the ole International 2000 with the 220 Cummins and it was alright
until he and I decided to haul grain with the trucks. That engine was a pooch compared to the Detroit 318s. He and I decided to
change that 220 Cummins to a 262 with a turbo the difference was night-and-day with power! That old 2000 would out pull even
the tractors running the 250 Cummins and a 318 Detroit could touch it pulling. The livestock industry took a dive and we ended
up farming and trucking grain. I bought a 350 Cummins in a International 4300 and drove it for several years. He always wondered
why I wanted a 350 until he realized the mileage was better than the 290s and 250 Cummins. Just before he passed away he had
a 350 Cummins which was turned up on the pump. I got out of trucking because every "Tom-Dick-and-Harry" started getting into
the hauling and messed up the prices. I had a friend of mine and Dad weasel his way into hauling for the elevator and messed us
up getting the hauling. My Dad had converted the old pole barn over to a machine shop with a nice concrete floor and a used oil
heater he built to heat the building. The oil came from the diesel engines on the trucks from oil changes. My Dad had a corn sheller
operation and I was hauling grain to the elevator at 14 with and old International tandem axle truck for him. I never got stopped by
and policemen since we weren't around them and there wasn't that many on patrol. The farmers were more tightly organsized
and a policeman messing with them would cause big problems in the community. One cowboy state trooper thought he could
harass the farmers hauling into the elevator during harvest season on axle over weights and he got shutdown by the elevator
manager and was told he was trespassing, causing delays with the grain unloading. I hope the idiot lost his job!

When I got out of the service I worked in a machine shop that is still in business and then went to Modine Manufacturing building
commercial air conditioning/heating systems. That company shutdown and relocated and I doubt if they are doing the same work.
I've got a background in electronics and worked in it for well over 30 years but that market has nose-dived and it is now a
plug-and-play market where a fella doesn't need to have the practical background/tech school experience to repair equipment.

Not many farmers in the area have any milking operations. Most of the farmers in this are are farming at least 1,000+ acres
and they wouldn't have a clue how to do it the old way since they have gone to mechanized expensive equipment. They are
lazy and haven't a clue about how to plant corn/beans using the old tractors with no cabs with the dust flying. I've been there
and done it! They now run through the fields with GPS steering, electronic sensors that monitor the combines in air conditioned
cabs. That's the same for the planting on the tractors. I would say, that most all of the farmers today wouldn't have a clue on
how to work on the older combines/tractors since the new equipment has been computerized---->what a mistake! I have always
wondered how the County is going to do in a serious war where there's no cellphone service, GPS is nonexistent because of
a EMP hit the country? I am pretty sure you know what I mean.
EZL, can you imagine working 1000 acres with a Farmall MTA? My Uncle Lavern was hired hand on a 400 acre beef and grain farm West of Dekalb. He always said it was hard to stay awake working the rows. I had a brief unemployed period in 2003 and my neighbor put me to work Chisel Plowing 400 acres. I used a GPS to monitor tire slippage. My 1953 Ford Jubilee don't got one.
Tom
 
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EZL

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EZL, can you imagine working 1000 acres with a Farmall MTA? My Uncle Lavern was hired hand on a 400 acre beef and grain farm West of Dekalb. He always said it was hard to stay awake working the rows. I had a brief unemployed period in 2003 and my neighbor put me to work Chisel Plowing 400 acres. I used a GPS to monitor tire slippage. My 1953 Ford Jubilee don't got one.
Tom
I haven't been on a tractor for about 4 years now since the Landlord's Son spent some money on new big equipment which doesn't
take him long to get things done here and over there.
 

EZL

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EZL .Dan Orabona [email protected]
MotoMagz had him build most of his current 212cc Excelsior build.
Pat at Sportsman Flyer mentioned using a Shimano hub beefier than the Shimano 110 that is a stock Worksman wheel offered on everything up to his 160cc builds.
Tom
Well, I got hold of Dan and he had several ideas like to beef up the mount and go with a minibike axle or go to aluminum mag
rims. I took the Shimano wheel off and apart and found the culprit. The inner bearing inside the Shimano cassette went to
pieces. You would think the the bearing on the opposite side would go bad since the drive sprocket is on that side. The bearing
on it was ok. I don't have a tool to tear down that cassette and really don't care to since it's not going back on the bike.
I am going to order the mag rims for the bike and go with them. It's interesting that the 669 belt for the CVT is rated for 50cc
engines on minibikes? I ordered a space from GasBike and someone in shipping screwed up the order and sent a 7G belt!
Now, I have to get that problem straightened out since I returned the 7G belt. I should have ordered the replacement from
GoPower Sports. A fella has to baby that bike with that engine since it likes to break things. :(
 

EZL

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Check my edit EZL
Tom, I had to fire up the little 49cc and I have been running it for the last week until I can afford some new mag rims
for the 212cc build. I rode the 49cc and noticed a lot of noise on the drivetrain and had the bike out for about a 17 mile
run. When I got it home I went ahead and removed the 415 chain and replaced it with the 41 chain. I've been running
it for a week and there is a world of difference in drivetrain noise and vibration. The only difference that was made was
the chain replacement. I doubt if I will eve run the 415 stuff again especially on the 212cc. I don't need the bike snapping
another chain plus there's a big difference in what works the best.
 

Tom from Rubicon

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41 vs 415.
41 is the real deal.
If and when I get my Flyer geometry accurate usable shape. My 49cc Huffy Davidson will get 41 chain too, plus
a new transmission and Shimano hub wheels before I think of selling it. Even then, I thank my Lawyer son for a waiver of liability document for transfer of product.
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41 vs 415.
41 is the real deal.
If and when I get my Flyer geometry accurate usable shape. My 49cc Huffy Davidson will get 41 chain too, plus
a new transmission and Shimano hub wheels before I think of selling it. Even then, I thank my Lawyer son for a waiver of liability document for transfer of product.
Tom
Tom, check these wheels out they say #8 on the spokes, anyway, that's what the stamping on the spokes say? The wheels would
also make a real good pule-cart to use behind a bike! I need a pair to build a cart also for the lawn tractor. :D
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pair-Horse...501023?hash=item4439fa9a9f:g:SKwAAOSwo4pYl-1ahttps://www.ebay.com/itm/Pair-Horse-Cart-Wheels-Tires-26-x2-125-5-8-Axle-4-3-4-Hubs/293030501023?hash=item4439fa9a9f:g:SKwAAOSwo4pYl-1a
 

EZL

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EZL .Dan Orabona [email protected]
MotoMagz had him build most of his current 212cc Excelsior build.
Pat at Sportsman Flyer mentioned using a Shimano hub beefier than the Shimano 110 that is a stock Worksman wheel offered on everything up to his 160cc builds.
Tom
I did some checking on that Shimano hub and the bearing inside it went bad on the cassette side. The bearing on the
other was ok. I did some checking on the spoke size and the wheels are the standard #14 which aren't heavy enough
for the 79cc or especially the 212cc engine. A wheel that is a good steel wheel with the larger bearings used in a
coaster brake might be the way to go with #12 spoked wheels. I am still considering the mag wheels but I've also
seen fellas that had problems with them on the YouTube reviews. I think some of the problems were done by them
not knowing what they were doing mechanically, no "common-sense?"
 

Tom from Rubicon

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