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rustycase

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You will still need to get it jetted properly.
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Sgt. Howard

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I wound up with SIX of these little... things... when I ordered motor kits from Kings'- solved the vacume leak issue right off the git- just plug the filter-to-carb-throat line with a .22 caliber BB. As for that "we can't take the time to do it right so here's a NYLON bushing to mount your carb with," ... pos.... I purchased 5 foot of aluminum THICK WALL tubing that I am turning to the proper ID and OD, cutting slots in one side (skirting) for the carb to lock down with. I tell you, once those issues are dealt with these bikes move like the proverbial "Bat outta... Clevland?.."
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zatdattyo

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Well Im just now reading this Post and Im an old bike rider since a kid. I love riding and now that im older just cruzing. I just got my kit and have the bike 3/4 done and was void of dirrections from Bikeberry, imagine that? not to mention a few other items I fabricated. I took auto carburation in Voc class in HS so some of it is familliar, just a smaller scale. But you forget and hesitate sometimes to dive in. But when you see others digging in and sharing their experiences to help you out, it feels so much better and you gain confidence like you did when you were a kid and had all your bike riding buddies working on there bikes and showing you what new gadgit or modification they had accomplished. It spirs you on. Now if we can actually get the Corporate world and government to adopt that mentality. HA HA! Guess I should put it all together befor I see if I need to adjust huh? W/ exceptions of the carb spacer which I found also to be about a hair loose too. Ridem Cowboy! Cant wait to be the only old man in town riden a moter bike in shorts a wife beater and cowboy boots. Cheap sunglasses and a tactical helmet. ...That autta keep the weirdos away....lol Peace and brotherly love.
 

nightcruiser

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can you show a pic of the line in question?
On the CNS V2 carb there is a hose that runs from the top of the cab into the back of the area where the (red plastic) air filter mounts. If you pull the air filter off you will see it poking through there on the carb behind the air filter. I dont think the newest version of the CNS carb has it (the new version that comes with the high flow cone style air filter).
That said, on the V2, some people report removing this line makes their motor run better, I found mine runs better with it connected....
 

FireEater

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Well Im just now reading this Post and Im an old bike rider since a kid. I love riding and now that im older just cruzing. I just got my kit and have the bike 3/4 done and was void of dirrections from Bikeberry, imagine that? not to mention a few other items I fabricated. I took auto carburation in Voc class in HS so some of it is familliar, just a smaller scale. But you forget and hesitate sometimes to dive in. But when you see others digging in and sharing their experiences to help you out, it feels so much better and you gain confidence like you did when you were a kid and had all your bike riding buddies working on there bikes and showing you what new gadgit or modification they had accomplished. It spirs you on. Now if we can actually get the Corporate world and government to adopt that mentality. HA HA! Guess I should put it all together befor I see if I need to adjust huh? W/ exceptions of the carb spacer which I found also to be about a hair loose too. Ridem Cowboy! Cant wait to be the only old man in town riden a moter bike in shorts a wife beater and cowboy boots. Cheap sunglasses and a tactical helmet. ...That autta keep the weirdos away....lol Peace and brotherly love.

LOL Can you post us a pic?
 

zatdattyo

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I sure will as soon as I get home tomorrow. There all on my phone so I will have to fiddle around to get it on this site. Im not a proficient on the Iphone yet....But ill geterdun....lol any directions in this matter will be appriciated..lolbrnot
 

nightcruiser

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Just got the bike out of the basement last week after having it ripped apart down to the bearings over the winter...

I'm glad to say that she fired up great this year, I put her up on the (new) double leg kick stand and she fired up on the second kick! A quick turn of the the idle screw and she's all set, this year I can set the idle very low and she doesn't die out on me... (mainly due to improved throttle and clutch cabling I think)

I made quite a few changes to the bike this year, a few directly related to the CNS carb...

I have the CNS v2 carb with the red plastic air filter, so I changed the filter over to the low profile filter from Sickbikeparts.com (SBP-LPAF2, see picture). This filter fit the carb very nicely and only requires a slight bit more room in the frame than the red plastic filter. My frame is really tight but she fit. I didn't have to do any adjustments to the carb, she runs great, although I had opened up the red plastic filter a bit before I did my final tuning last season.

I changed the intake from the stubby cut/bent/welded unit that came with my Grubee kit over to the $3.00 cast short intake from gasbike.net. The cast intake is a bit bigger, putting the carb a slight bit higher and further back, but she still fit in the frame with the new air filter so all's good. You still need the spacer to mount the carb on this intake, but the seal fits nicely and it bolts up well. (I wish there was a cast intake available that fit the CNS without the spacer, but so far the only ones I can find are for the Super Rat top end with the wider lug spacing) I think the smoothness of flow inside the cast intake is an improvement over the rough ride the air takes over the welds inside the old intake.

I changed from standard flat mountain bike handlebars to taller BMX style bars, which required a complete re-cabling of the bike, in the process I made a few improvements... I added flexible lined noodles to both ends of the throttle cable and the carb end of the "choke" cable. Since my frame is very small the bend the cables take coming out of the top of the carb has always been an issue, the noodles really help a lot here, and the noodle on the throttle helps keep it stable when turning the handlebars. Last year the idle would vary when I turned the bars, so I had to keep the idle a bit on the high side or she would die, this year I set the idle very low and she holds stead no matter how I turn the bars. :) I also removed the "choke" lever, since I never use the front derailleur any more I removed it and am using the three position shifter lever to pull the "choke". Its nice because it is integrated into the brake lever, so I was able to eliminate a cable and a lever from the bars. I have found I only need the "choke" for a few seconds when I first start to ride, and when I let off the throttle with the "choke" on she doesn't like to idle. I really like this setup because I can use my thumb to push the "choke" lever but not far enough for it to latch and lock on, this way the "choke" snaps back to off when I let go and she idles great, and it's always there for me to add a little more fuel when needed...

I also added noodles to both ends of the clutch cable, which helped me achieve a lower idle because the old stiff clutch cable was causing the clutch to bite a bit when I turned the bars, which would make the motor die if the idle was set low. So, 5 noodles later and I can finally rotate my bars with zero effect on the idle speed. I think I had these issues mainly because I have built on just about the smallest frame possible and everything is jammed in there really tight with sharp bends in the cables. That said, I recommend noodles for everyone! (^)
 

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PAracer

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most will say that the CNS is the worst of those three. I would say that it's more different than it is 'worse'. The hot ticket right now is the RT carb from Dax.
 

nightcruiser

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Is the CNS better than a speed or NT carb?
I read a lot of people say "throw away the CNS carb" and get an NT or RT, however, I have been extremely happy with my CNS carb and thats why I started this thread. There are a lot more people happily riding the CNS carb than you would guess from reading the sentiment on this forum. I've put about 2,000 miles on my CNS carb, my bike starts every time with one short kick, idles smooth and slow, has good low end pull and response throughout the throttle range and great top end too, so what's not to like?
Well, the early CNS carbs had a mounting spacer that was brittle and would break, frustrating, but they have changed the material that part is made of now and I think its better, although I made my own replacement from PVC tube that is virtually unbreakable for next to nothing. It seems unless your carb sits completely level you may have to do a float adjustment to get it to run optimally. This is such an easy thing to do I don't know why anyone has a problem with it. Finally, you may have to jet the carb to match your motor, that is not unique to the CNS carb though, I read about people having to jet the NT carb all the time too...
So, bottom line, if you take the time to tune up the CNS carb IMHO I think it will outperform the standard carb. With about 2,000 miles on mine I've found it runs very consistent and I haven't had single problem with it since I tuned her up....
 

JonnyR

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I read a lot of people say "throw away the CNS carb" and get an NT or RT, however, I have been extremely happy with my CNS carb and thats why I started this thread. There are a lot more people happily riding the CNS carb than you would guess from reading the sentiment on this forum. I've put about 2,000 miles on my CNS carb, my bike starts every time with one short kick, idles smooth and slow, has good low end pull and response throughout the throttle range and great top end too, so what's not to like?
Well, the early CNS carbs had a mounting spacer that was brittle and would break, frustrating, but they have changed the material that part is made of now and I think its better, although I made my own replacement from PVC tube that is virtually unbreakable for next to nothing. It seems unless your carb sits completely level you may have to do a float adjustment to get it to run optimally. This is such an easy thing to do I don't know why anyone has a problem with it. Finally, you may have to jet the carb to match your motor, that is not unique to the CNS carb though, I read about people having to jet the NT carb all the time too...
So, bottom line, if you take the time to tune up the CNS carb IMHO I think it will outperform the standard carb. With about 2,000 miles on mine I've found it runs very consistent and I haven't had single problem with it since I tuned her up....
my question is what CNS do you have there is a big difference between the V1 V2 and V3 also the V3EPA
 

Sgt. Howard

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Apparently there is more than one breed of CNS carb- the ones I have been useing are the 2011 model and I did some seriouse modifications of them before I was happy, the most demanding being messing with the throttle cable to bring the idle down and grinding out an aluminum bushing to replace the nylon one. Once these puppies are dealt with, I get excellent performance. The NT is allright, but mine has a float leak problem that I have used every suggestion this site offers to no avail... sooner or later, it leaks again. I have found no source of floats that isn't already dried up. I am ready to solder one together out of copper if need be, but so far can't find the time.
 

nightcruiser

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my question is what CNS do you have there is a big difference between the V1 V2 and V3 also the V3EPA
I have the CNS V2 carb, the one that came with the red plastic air filter (which I have since replaced with a high flow cone style air filter). I think this was reputed to be one of the worst versions. I know there are at least 3 versions of the carb, but I think tuning up any of them is about the same. V3 has the air mix screw capped off, but the cap can be pulled and the screw can then be used, although I never really needed to tweak that screw anyways. (it's been set and forget on that one for me) The biggest hindrance on any version CNS carb seems to be the needle on V3 only has one slot apparently. I have yet to confirm if a needle from V1 or V2 that has 5 slots will work in V3 or not? Has anyone with CNS V3 carb tried that???