Page 3 of this thread and its been running and took out for a spin, but needs more gearing down... anyway with 6 pulleys 3 belts 2 jackshafts.
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The motor bike has not been completed yet as mostly the rear drive hub I am getting to make shims to grab the spokes for a washing machine pulley to mount to. It was all OK till I had tightened down clamps and that distorted the pulley.
When that is out of the way and finished and it goes riding successfully, I am to see if I can make with or without welding more to the frame or the attached side car modification to get it complete with side car.
Truly it is not of the utmost important to make it actually a side car for passenger, but if I can I will try.
The eventual result is to make it a kind of mutant motor bike vehicle with added art; wire, paper mache, paint, lights ect.
My need is to be able to dissemble it enough to transport in small enough pieces. I am looking at clamping to the frame and additionally what I have already welded to the frame for engine mount. If need be I will have more weld to the frame to make it a bolt together side car to the motor bike frame.
Adding more info to post by Measure Twice
***** I some how missed seeing where there are photos of CAM NZ's muffler on the Villiers engine and maybe mixed up who ask who the question of how loud the muffler is
.... I finally looked back at post #2 of CAM NZ's - Villiers Boardtrack Racer an now understand (that is not a muffler ...hah hah hah! ....
but here is some information on my current restoration of Briggs 5S already was running from previous restoration minus cut valves an seats and an 80's Era Briggs MB ******
As a misunderstanding as a reply to Harry76 on CAM NZ's post #27 - Villiers Boardtrack Racer and other info to add to my own post:
http://motorbicycling.com/f36/villiers-boardtrack-racer-30023-new-post.html
I have your answer here on my yet only post I started of my own.
Yep the Briggs tube muffler is very loud!
I wrote what I think is too much of an answer to your question to rightfully place it on your post. I figured I would put it on my post for you and others to see if interested.
I think maybe your mistaken with the green painted gen set motor that is painted green. That is not mine.
I don't think there is even a muffler, just a pipe leading out of the aircraft. I mean with the B17 defending itself with ½ inch shells of a machine gun just next to the gen set out the back of the fuselage, did it really matter about the noise?
If you really mean the tube muffler on the black painted Briggs 5S that is standard with the engine. That is the engine I own. and yes they are damn they are noisy!
The older Briggs 5S I am not sure what application I will have for it. It is just being restored, I got the valves and seats cut and put in new points. Degreased it, but am not sure if I will repaint it. I already put it together and have oil in it, just not tried it running yet.
Only I have for the MB with Briggs 80 era 3hp to do off-roading, a required spark arrestor muffler from Briggs, I have not tried that yet. It is the stubby oval shaped thing that also includes a deflector plate that can be installed with the three small sheet metal screws that is included with it. 391912 part number is the one I have I think. I don’t have a picture of it but this but on page 68 from online does at
http://pw1.netcom.com/~cparsons/Spark Arrestors.pdf
There are also other interesting spark arrestor mufflers shown at the site, an noting the BOMBARDIER brand, I think maybe I should at some point make a ski for attachment to the front wheel and a half track tread on the rear wheel in his memory.
The website I found besides going straight to Briggs is all about the small engine cars that go on the rail road tracks to do work fixing and inspecting. Somehow there is a group that uses them, on tracks with permission to do it as a hobby. So maybe up to 35hp they have?
A link for pictures where they did what they call the last snow run. I looked at it as it is in California where I reside. I have been to the area up my Mt. Shasta but not during cold weather.
Back when I was residing in New York City I rode that Kawasaki 350 road bike in the winter and the plugs always had a time getting wet at start. We had +8 degrees fareheight which was cold enough I had to saw apart the case on a security light that used a 5 watt carbon resistor and bi-metalic strip to do a delay for cloud cover during the day time. It was to protect the incandesent bulb burning out prematurly. I just bent the strip a little and had it recalibrated.
I guess this rail road small car group uses all 4 strokes I hope anyway, cuase to be stuck out there in the snow, brrrr!
http://pw1.netcom.com/~dparsons/McCloud4.html
In any case, I have a video of the 80’s era 3hp Briggs running with that muffler and right close surrounding it the always very leaky vented cap on the gas tank used with the vacujet carb. The tank was shaped with a sounded cut out to accommodate that tube muffler to be a hair within touching the tank.
At one point where the throttle on the engine was quickly returning to Idle, I got to see in the video a capture of a blue flame shaped like a cone, it was pointing out the muffler along with a back fire bang to boot!
Yet to decide where I will post that video?
Note that was the muffler used on the 80’s era Briggs, but I got the engine without the carb and just used it till I got a bowl carb that Briggs makes for cheap. This way I also get a fuel tank that even though still needs venting, is not heated by the muffler so that boil off of gas fumes are a danger.
All I need is to have an unexpected cook out starting while I am off-roading. You know what Smokey the Bear says. My intent is to get a State Sticker for ATV for the off road Motor Bike.
I actually made brackets to hold a Briggs lawn mower gravity feed tank to use with the Briggs bowl carb. The brackets went on flat sheet metal that I welded on to the JC Penny 50’s bike frame, they were really meant to beef up the frame and distribute some of the engine weight to the top bars and not have it all on the lower one only.
I had about 5 months at a shop where I used the TIG, since I do not own a welder. An engine mounting plate integral with jack shaft, I felt I would weld rather than clamp on the tubes. I also used other stuff at that shop that I already have at home, so when I was not welding I felt I was wasting money of which just now is not plentiful at the moment.
When the cost and my unemployment continued to beyond what I felt acceptable to stay a member at the shop, I just did without more welding.
It was the adding of V brake mounting brackets for the wheels as the JC Penny only had coaster brakes, and I welded a cover to keep out water from the tubes at the point where I removed the pedal crank, not to be used for off-roading. Ofcourse the engine platform and the jack shaft mounting fabrication was a good use of the TIG Welder I used there.
I took a look at the 6th picture down on this web page of The World of Motor Cycles dot com, to see what a board track racer muffler of what I thought was very small displacement looks like. Oops when I saw it was cubic inch! I have to think maybe the stroke throw was why I was misled. This thing shows that 1914 Indian with just a pipe as far as I can see must be really loud.
I rode a two stroke 3 cylinder Kawasaki 350 road bike and at least one of the 3 separate pipes had a leak where it met the muffler. It was loud. Below it seems that this I guess was a 4 stroke single cylinder 500 in CC that has just a straight pipe pointed downward at an angle.
1914 Indian Model F Boardtrack Racer - 30.50ci IOE Engine
An online conversion calculator results for CI to CC
Answer: 30.5 in³ = 499.805 cm³ ................. nearly 500 CC
http://www.theworldofmotorcycles.com/vintage_motorcycle_indian.html
My picture album has the JC Penny Bike frame before and after welding and other stuff done on this site:
http://motorbicycling.com/members/m...measure-twice-tank-carb-engine-placement.html
http://motorbicycling.com/members/m...ture742-measure-twice-early-engine-angle.html
Measure twice.
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The motor bike has not been completed yet as mostly the rear drive hub I am getting to make shims to grab the spokes for a washing machine pulley to mount to. It was all OK till I had tightened down clamps and that distorted the pulley.
When that is out of the way and finished and it goes riding successfully, I am to see if I can make with or without welding more to the frame or the attached side car modification to get it complete with side car.
Truly it is not of the utmost important to make it actually a side car for passenger, but if I can I will try.
The eventual result is to make it a kind of mutant motor bike vehicle with added art; wire, paper mache, paint, lights ect.
My need is to be able to dissemble it enough to transport in small enough pieces. I am looking at clamping to the frame and additionally what I have already welded to the frame for engine mount. If need be I will have more weld to the frame to make it a bolt together side car to the motor bike frame.
Adding more info to post by Measure Twice
***** I some how missed seeing where there are photos of CAM NZ's muffler on the Villiers engine and maybe mixed up who ask who the question of how loud the muffler is
.... I finally looked back at post #2 of CAM NZ's - Villiers Boardtrack Racer an now understand (that is not a muffler ...hah hah hah! ....
but here is some information on my current restoration of Briggs 5S already was running from previous restoration minus cut valves an seats and an 80's Era Briggs MB ******
As a misunderstanding as a reply to Harry76 on CAM NZ's post #27 - Villiers Boardtrack Racer and other info to add to my own post:
http://motorbicycling.com/f36/villiers-boardtrack-racer-30023-new-post.html
I have your answer here on my yet only post I started of my own.
Yep the Briggs tube muffler is very loud!
I wrote what I think is too much of an answer to your question to rightfully place it on your post. I figured I would put it on my post for you and others to see if interested.
I think maybe your mistaken with the green painted gen set motor that is painted green. That is not mine.
I don't think there is even a muffler, just a pipe leading out of the aircraft. I mean with the B17 defending itself with ½ inch shells of a machine gun just next to the gen set out the back of the fuselage, did it really matter about the noise?
If you really mean the tube muffler on the black painted Briggs 5S that is standard with the engine. That is the engine I own. and yes they are damn they are noisy!
The older Briggs 5S I am not sure what application I will have for it. It is just being restored, I got the valves and seats cut and put in new points. Degreased it, but am not sure if I will repaint it. I already put it together and have oil in it, just not tried it running yet.
Only I have for the MB with Briggs 80 era 3hp to do off-roading, a required spark arrestor muffler from Briggs, I have not tried that yet. It is the stubby oval shaped thing that also includes a deflector plate that can be installed with the three small sheet metal screws that is included with it. 391912 part number is the one I have I think. I don’t have a picture of it but this but on page 68 from online does at
http://pw1.netcom.com/~cparsons/Spark Arrestors.pdf
There are also other interesting spark arrestor mufflers shown at the site, an noting the BOMBARDIER brand, I think maybe I should at some point make a ski for attachment to the front wheel and a half track tread on the rear wheel in his memory.
The website I found besides going straight to Briggs is all about the small engine cars that go on the rail road tracks to do work fixing and inspecting. Somehow there is a group that uses them, on tracks with permission to do it as a hobby. So maybe up to 35hp they have?
A link for pictures where they did what they call the last snow run. I looked at it as it is in California where I reside. I have been to the area up my Mt. Shasta but not during cold weather.
Back when I was residing in New York City I rode that Kawasaki 350 road bike in the winter and the plugs always had a time getting wet at start. We had +8 degrees fareheight which was cold enough I had to saw apart the case on a security light that used a 5 watt carbon resistor and bi-metalic strip to do a delay for cloud cover during the day time. It was to protect the incandesent bulb burning out prematurly. I just bent the strip a little and had it recalibrated.
I guess this rail road small car group uses all 4 strokes I hope anyway, cuase to be stuck out there in the snow, brrrr!
http://pw1.netcom.com/~dparsons/McCloud4.html
In any case, I have a video of the 80’s era 3hp Briggs running with that muffler and right close surrounding it the always very leaky vented cap on the gas tank used with the vacujet carb. The tank was shaped with a sounded cut out to accommodate that tube muffler to be a hair within touching the tank.
At one point where the throttle on the engine was quickly returning to Idle, I got to see in the video a capture of a blue flame shaped like a cone, it was pointing out the muffler along with a back fire bang to boot!
Yet to decide where I will post that video?
Note that was the muffler used on the 80’s era Briggs, but I got the engine without the carb and just used it till I got a bowl carb that Briggs makes for cheap. This way I also get a fuel tank that even though still needs venting, is not heated by the muffler so that boil off of gas fumes are a danger.
All I need is to have an unexpected cook out starting while I am off-roading. You know what Smokey the Bear says. My intent is to get a State Sticker for ATV for the off road Motor Bike.
I actually made brackets to hold a Briggs lawn mower gravity feed tank to use with the Briggs bowl carb. The brackets went on flat sheet metal that I welded on to the JC Penny 50’s bike frame, they were really meant to beef up the frame and distribute some of the engine weight to the top bars and not have it all on the lower one only.
I had about 5 months at a shop where I used the TIG, since I do not own a welder. An engine mounting plate integral with jack shaft, I felt I would weld rather than clamp on the tubes. I also used other stuff at that shop that I already have at home, so when I was not welding I felt I was wasting money of which just now is not plentiful at the moment.
When the cost and my unemployment continued to beyond what I felt acceptable to stay a member at the shop, I just did without more welding.
It was the adding of V brake mounting brackets for the wheels as the JC Penny only had coaster brakes, and I welded a cover to keep out water from the tubes at the point where I removed the pedal crank, not to be used for off-roading. Ofcourse the engine platform and the jack shaft mounting fabrication was a good use of the TIG Welder I used there.
I took a look at the 6th picture down on this web page of The World of Motor Cycles dot com, to see what a board track racer muffler of what I thought was very small displacement looks like. Oops when I saw it was cubic inch! I have to think maybe the stroke throw was why I was misled. This thing shows that 1914 Indian with just a pipe as far as I can see must be really loud.
I rode a two stroke 3 cylinder Kawasaki 350 road bike and at least one of the 3 separate pipes had a leak where it met the muffler. It was loud. Below it seems that this I guess was a 4 stroke single cylinder 500 in CC that has just a straight pipe pointed downward at an angle.
1914 Indian Model F Boardtrack Racer - 30.50ci IOE Engine
An online conversion calculator results for CI to CC
Answer: 30.5 in³ = 499.805 cm³ ................. nearly 500 CC
http://www.theworldofmotorcycles.com/vintage_motorcycle_indian.html
My picture album has the JC Penny Bike frame before and after welding and other stuff done on this site:
http://motorbicycling.com/members/m...measure-twice-tank-carb-engine-placement.html
http://motorbicycling.com/members/m...ture742-measure-twice-early-engine-angle.html
Measure twice.
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