Socal Motor Bicycle Racing @ Willow Springs May 30, 2015

THE WRATH OF BUBA -- will only be assuaged if a fair number of peoples show up for some LA putt-putt rides this summer starting shortly after the Born Free Motorcycle event at the end of this June--Great show!!!

ride safe
 
I know, but it from the looks of this thread it seems 4 people showed up. Not a very good way to build up excitement for the next race.
 
bairdco said:
So, 4-5 people showed up? Where the results? Where's the videos? Photos?
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5 ebikers and 5 mopeders who we haven't seen since Chris threw a tizzy.

45 racers signed the waiver.

Andy has 4 youtube videos and haven't seen any from Scott or Brian yet,
a lot of Facebook video's and pics on www.facebook.com/groups/SocalMotorBicycleRacing

Sorry but the gf had another event on the same day so I gots no pics.....

Another fun day even if a little hot with a nice breeze........nothing beats
being there........
 
bairdco said:
I know, but it from the looks of this thread it seems 4 people showed up. Not a very good way to build up excitement for the next race.
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You know, I was thinking of going to this. The thing is, my bike really isn't a racing bike. It's really more of a commuter type bicycle. I guess I could take the rack off the back and put on a 36 tooth sprocket or something and I might be able to hit 35mph on flat ground. It might be fun to ride the Go-Kart track but I've never been to any race and I don't have a full face shield helmet either. I am kinda considering going to Grange on Oct 17. I'm sure it would be fun to check out all the cool bikes. I guess I will think about it some more.
 
You should definitely check it out. Some guys just go out there to have fun on the track. Best part is there is a bunch of friendly helpful folks out there doing what they love to do...ride their bikes all out without the fear of getting hit by a car.
 
FFV8 said:
You of all people should know that race results are super secret, and never reported here...
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Yes, results are only known to the racers and crew that show up to the trophy presentation, you should know that by now Baird. And there were certainly more than 4 racers that showed up to the event and I had more competition in the Unlimited Class by far than the last race event we attended.

Side note and as I mentioned before......a few regulars that were missed at this event would include bairdco, Norm and Jen (VeniceMotorBikes), BigBoyBikes, Magrider and brother Dave (and family), Easy Rider, Gilbert (Gbrebes), Dale (msrfan), Joker Racing, the Rust family, Jake (dogtown burner), silverstate and on and on. Can't forget too mention BUBA and the DTM Crew! Where the heck was Dennis (dmb)???

See all you punks next race!

.wee.
 
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No results. This is the reason why my riders don't want to support socal racing and as far as myself, I think it's the worst thing you can do. A lack of responsibility as a promoter shows how much you don't care about the riders that support racing. After all, that's what the riders are there for the results. especially when you win. We would love to come back but not until Neil starts supporting the riders. So there you go and get rid of the protesters. No one wants to here a whiner. I would rather stay home. A web site only costs $14 a month.
 
Arrowcycles said:
No results. This is the reason why my riders don't want to support socal racing and as far as myself, I think it's the worst thing you can do. A lack of responsibility as a promoter shows how much you don't care about the riders that support racing. After all, that's what the riders are there for the results. especially when you win. We would love to come back but not until Neil starts supporting the riders. So there you go and get rid of the protesters. No one wants to here a whiner. I would rather stay home. A web site only costs $14 a month.
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A little suggestion here.....Neil could appoint Arrowcycles in charge of race results, it's a simple task and they pit right near the finish line.

About the whiners and protesters....really, the world is full of them and they don't make a repellent to weed out such creatures yet...sorry ;)

I've never really protested against anything at the races, but when it comes down to the Mopeds and there is no pedaling system, it just is not a motorized bicycle no matter how you look at it. Those are plainly full blown mini motorcycles, are they not?
 
Don't make excuses for him! He spams his race all over world but I have yet to see any results posted. Just not cool! All my years of racing I never have seen a promoter not post some kind of results somewhere. Not too much to ask for. Pull your head out!
Look at all the companies on the cover of this site. Would you not want a sponsor from Kings or Motor Bike or Jake's and how about me? I would love to sponsor a new rider, but not if I can't justify spending the money if the company doesn't get any exposure from racing. Companies like me and the rest of them would like to foot the bill for the rental of the race track if there was a way the company could legitimately write off the money spent or gain company exposure. How about exposure for SoCal? Would it be better for all of us if there were more participants at the races? I'm not *****ing, just stating the facts on how to make a sport grow. I've been in professional sports my whole life so I think I know how it's supposed to work.
 
Please Dave, give it a rest already. With all due respect, You said you're done, so be done. This is motorized bicycle racing not the AMA or IJSBA. Its a bunch of guys having fun on the track and let's leave it at that. What exactly is your intentions? I for one am grateful that Neil puts on these races. It's great for the novice and beginner racers starting out as well as for the guys that like to socialize and get a ltitle track time in.
As for the whiners and protesters, if you're within these simple rules Neil has, then why throw a hissy fit if you're Not within the rules?
Sorry guys, I'm just tired of all this trolling.
 
I would like to share my opinion about the matter that Dave Rust brought, but I want to check that I have approval first. My first attempt did not work.
 
Hi folks. For what it’s worth, I do have an opinion about the message that Dave Rust posted here earlier.
I spent about an hour composing a statement, and somehow this site rejected the post. I will reluctantly try again, but I’m already drained from the original effort which has been lost.

Firstly, I want to thank Neil Senior for his efforts in promoting bicycle racing. I still will happily support his racing venue.

I believe I understand what Dave Rust is trying to convey to those who are following this post. Even though I do not have my own race team or race myself, but, like Dave, I am in the business of making parts associated with bicycle racing.

CR Machine’s support of SoCal racing is miniscule compared to the investment that Dave Rust has paid by providing race ready machines for his young racers to use in the SoCal race events.

I’m sure many you folks know what it takes to put together a competitive race bike; it’s a lot of work.

Now, some people do this as a hobby, and that is good and fine. In fact, without folks who race as a hobby, there would be no need for designers and machinists, like myself to make special parts.

So, then, there are people like myself, Dave Rust and others for whom this is also our business that our families depend on. I must say, this business is not a very lucrative one, and part of the reason that myself and others continue on is for the love of the motorized bicycle and racing.

It’s easy for me to see Dave’s point because I’m somewhat in the same boat as he is. So, I’m going to attempt to explain in my own words why I feel that his point is valid.

For the person who operates a business that is focused on the development of special parts to improve bicycle racing, the sponsorship of the racing venue can be a natural and mutually beneficial relationship. But this relationship can only be mutually beneficial, if both parties see a benefit from their efforts.

I think it’s important to remember that what Dave was asking for is not much at all: To have the race results be well advertised.

His young riders have expressed much sadness in what appears to be very little acknowledgement for their successes on the track. There may have also been some unjust disqualifications as well.

So, if the sponsored racers who score well are not acknowledged by the association, then the racers and the companies who sponsor them will eventually feel unwanted. I believe that this is how Dave and Arrow’s riders may feel at this point.

Let’s face it folks, Arrow’s team has made a huge difference in this sport and this was not achieved easily. The Arrow race team has consistently dominated bicycle racing due to immense effort. I know this and I think many others here also know this to be true.

Personally, I wish that the Arrow race team would come back to bicycle racing because it has been a dream of mine to put a real race bike together and try to catch him. I think it’s important to note that Dave actually told me that he would hook me up with a young rider if I were to finally put a competitive race bike together. This demonstrates Dave’s generosity to others in the sport and I’m sure that other people here have memories of receiving help from Dave too.

So, if the association would prefer to have companies like Arrow leave this venue, then so be it. We will then naturally find other ways to find support.
Thank you for your time.
Fred Chelminski
 
I think it's cool to be able to look up media and race results from motorsport events from years past, its what creates renewed enthusiasm for the vintage machines and their skilled pilots. Who knows, in the future tis might be considered the golden revival era of American motorized bicycle and moped racing which will be looked back upon with reverence. I'm sure those in the future will be looking for as much media as possible about the champs and their bikes, it might be worthwhile to jot it all down while its fresh in memory. I think it would be cool if there was a wiki with results, it would be a good place to put them which would be free. Just my thoughts, hopefully someday I can find a way to make it to the races and enjoy, but for now its fun seeing the media and reading about what happened.
 
crmachineman said:
Hi folks. For what it’s worth, I do have an opinion about the message that Dave Rust posted here earlier.
I spent about an hour composing a statement, and somehow this site rejected the post. I will reluctantly try again, but I’m already drained from the original effort which has been lost.

Firstly, I want to thank Neil Senior for his efforts in promoting bicycle racing. I still will happily support his racing venue.

I believe I understand what Dave Rust is trying to convey to those who are following this post. Even though I do not have my own race team or race myself, but, like Dave, I am in the business of making parts associated with bicycle racing.

CR Machine’s support of SoCal racing is miniscule compared to the investment that Dave Rust has paid by providing race ready machines for his young racers to use in the SoCal race events.

I’m sure many you folks know what it takes to put together a competitive race bike; it’s a lot of work.

Now, some people do this as a hobby, and that is good and fine. In fact, without folks who race as a hobby, there would be no need for designers and machinists, like myself to make special parts.

So, then, there are people like myself, Dave Rust and others for whom this is also our business that our families depend on. I must say, this business is not a very lucrative one, and part of the reason that myself and others continue on is for the love of the motorized bicycle and racing.

It’s easy for me to see Dave’s point because I’m somewhat in the same boat as he is. So, I’m going to attempt to explain in my own words why I feel that his point is valid.

For the person who operates a business that is focused on the development of special parts to improve bicycle racing, the sponsorship of the racing venue can be a natural and mutually beneficial relationship. But this relationship can only be mutually beneficial, if both parties see a benefit from their efforts.

I think it’s important to remember that what Dave was asking for is not much at all: To have the race results be well advertised.

His young riders have expressed much sadness in what appears to be very little acknowledgement for their successes on the track. There may have also been some unjust disqualifications as well.

So, if the sponsored racers who score well are not acknowledged by the association, then the racers and the companies who sponsor them will eventually feel unwanted. I believe that this is how Dave and Arrow’s riders may feel at this point.

Let’s face it folks, Arrow’s team has made a huge difference in this sport and this was not achieved easily. The Arrow race team has consistently dominated bicycle racing due to immense effort. I know this and I think many others here also know this to be true.

Personally, I wish that the Arrow race team would come back to bicycle racing because it has been a dream of mine to put a real race bike together and try to catch him. I think it’s important to note that Dave actually told me that he would hook me up with a young rider if I were to finally put a competitive race bike together. This demonstrates Dave’s generosity to others in the sport and I’m sure that other people here have memories of receiving help from Dave too.

So, if the association would prefer to have companies like Arrow leave this venue, then so be it. We will then naturally find other ways to find support.
Thank you for your time.
Fred Chelminski
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But what about old farts like myself, who would want to sponsor poor little ol' me? I've been racing on a stock framed beach cruiser I built with that cheap 212cc harbor freight engine and I have been to every race except for one. I like seeing my name, especially the first place wins, in the results but hey, whatcha gonna do?

Dave Rust, Jake Busey and many others have now built bikes with 200cc 4-stroke engines now that were modeled after what AGK had brought to the track one day. You don't hear AGK pissing and moaning about all this BS that has kicked up a big stink in my thread here.

Let's just keep on racing and eventually the race result issue will become a thing of the past. Go back to post #71 in this thread and act on it. Honestly.
 
Did you guys see Nashmoto's cool video from 2 days ago? :D
Only 69 views so I guess not.....

Midrange class Final May 30th Willow Springs.

1st #59 Headtrama aka Andy (where is that guy? :) )
2nd #3 Scotto on a 4 Hp HF so also 1st in the new lower Midrange class.
3rd #98 Brian Nash by about a foooot? or so. (where is this guy? :) )
4th #97 Ryan
5th #699 James

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt5iXMJaMrU

Coulda seen it 2 days ago here.....
www.facebook.com/groups/SocalMotorBicycleRacing
 
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The expression "one man band" is what Neil is. I'm as guilty as the next guy when it comes to helping out so that why I cut Neil some slack because he's doing the best he can. Like Scotto said, it would be great if Arrow could be in charge of the results/standings. Who better than someone with a lot of racing experience to handle the task. If anything, show Neil a better way to keep track of the scoring and race results and turn this negative into a positive.
 
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