Flux-core/MIG for frame welding?
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Flux core will work but prep is the key, you have to remove all paint at the joints and puddle up the weld. But if I have access to a mig with shielding gas I'll use it over flux core.
If your machine will use shielding gas, use it. Your welds were be cleaner and stronger.
Flux core wire is okay if you're mending fence posts or jobs that you don't care how they look but they can't compare with using gas.
Tom
Flux core wire is okay if you're mending fence posts or jobs that you don't care how they look but they can't compare with using gas.
Tom
For MIG or TIG with AR 75 percent CO2 25 percent gas mix I would add that note if using electric welder, the amount of time at max amps is limited to 20 percent duty cycle on smaller welders.
With my Hobart Auto Arc 130 Amp welder that runs off 120 VAC Single Phase supply, I should ought stop after 2 minutes on highest amps setting and wait for 8 minutes before starting again. This gets 7/16 thick steel welded OK, but time to finish can be a while.
Pushing it means that even before it thermal cut offs, the welding gets trashy.
I also have to make close zig zag passes on 7/16 inch thick steel and it is really needing more amps to get it done quicker. The welder chart states for thickest steel that flux core "is" to be use. Not sure of the reason. I get by with the multi-pass though and use the inert gas with solid wire with my MIG.
If you have 230 volt available then you can probably get more done quicker with a welder that uses that 2 phase.
Otherwise Oxyacetylene Torch if it is something that can be had.
MT
With my Hobart Auto Arc 130 Amp welder that runs off 120 VAC Single Phase supply, I should ought stop after 2 minutes on highest amps setting and wait for 8 minutes before starting again. This gets 7/16 thick steel welded OK, but time to finish can be a while.
Pushing it means that even before it thermal cut offs, the welding gets trashy.
I also have to make close zig zag passes on 7/16 inch thick steel and it is really needing more amps to get it done quicker. The welder chart states for thickest steel that flux core "is" to be use. Not sure of the reason. I get by with the multi-pass though and use the inert gas with solid wire with my MIG.
If you have 230 volt available then you can probably get more done quicker with a welder that uses that 2 phase.
Otherwise Oxyacetylene Torch if it is something that can be had.
MT
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Flux core MIG is just for sticking stuff together, I call mine my PIG welder, cause it leaves sh*t everywhere.
Ya I just bought a Tig have to wire up to my breaker box. Hope to fire it up Saturday. This is the one I bought I hope it does the job: http://www.ebay.com/itm/SIMADRE-201...d=100012&prg=8888&rk=3&rkt=10&sd=151274666524
It may take a little more practice, but I have been surprised what I can weld with a decent inverter stick welder, and use it for most of my welding these days.
The old PIG welder don't get used much anymore, I liked it when it was on gas and it got a bit of use in the old days welding up rusty old cars until I started to realize if your going to weld up rusty old cars you'll be patching the thing every year.
But cause I rarely use it and it's so wet/humid here, I find the wire goes rusty, and the old girl keeps jamming.
It took me a fair while after swapping to flux core, that I realized the reason the wire kept jamming was because of the bend in the hand piece nozzle, seems the flux core is quite a bit stiffer and does not like to take corners, I straightened the bend in the hand piece and it works better now but gives a weird twist to the wrist when using it.
I'm no expert with the stick welder, and it takes quite a bit more practice to master than a MIG but gives so much nicer welds once you get the hang of it.
The old PIG welder don't get used much anymore, I liked it when it was on gas and it got a bit of use in the old days welding up rusty old cars until I started to realize if your going to weld up rusty old cars you'll be patching the thing every year.
But cause I rarely use it and it's so wet/humid here, I find the wire goes rusty, and the old girl keeps jamming.
It took me a fair while after swapping to flux core, that I realized the reason the wire kept jamming was because of the bend in the hand piece nozzle, seems the flux core is quite a bit stiffer and does not like to take corners, I straightened the bend in the hand piece and it works better now but gives a weird twist to the wrist when using it.
I'm no expert with the stick welder, and it takes quite a bit more practice to master than a MIG but gives so much nicer welds once you get the hang of it.
I would love to go wwith TIG but I dont have enough money to buy a machine and dont know anyone who would let me borrow one either.
It cost me $67 to fill my 2500 psi cylinder with argon. That's about 28 hours of welding at about $2.40 an hour for gas. Throw in tungsten electrodes, filler rod and electricity and the operating cost jumps to about $4 an hour. That being said an hour of torch time is a lot of welding.
I use a stick welder for the low cost of consumables. I find the tips and gas are always gone when I need to weld and I'm cheap.
$6 bucks for a box of rods and I can weld for months.
But the welds are much harder to get right and pretty than a Mig.
Fluxcore is a compromise that works okay, especially in windy outdoor conditions but is nastier looking and harder to control.
TIG is by far the strongest and nicest welding process but it does take longer and is more expensive to buy and keep running.
$6 bucks for a box of rods and I can weld for months.
But the welds are much harder to get right and pretty than a Mig.
Fluxcore is a compromise that works okay, especially in windy outdoor conditions but is nastier looking and harder to control.
TIG is by far the strongest and nicest welding process but it does take longer and is more expensive to buy and keep running.
Here there is bottle rental!
On top of somewhere around $200 to fill.
I have beer gas though!
But at least I own the bottle.
It might be cheaper in the city, but I don't go there much.
I'm still learning with the ark welder, but the more I weld the better I get.
I bought a nice inverter stick/TIG, I didn't get the cheapest, but I got the cheapest HF TIG welder I could find. I'm so impressed with the way it stick welds I've had no need for gas for TIG yet. With the digital amps display, I know that I have it on 70 Amps, or 62 Amps if that's what I need.
I got some 2mm rods, but now use good quality 2.5 Rods, as the 2's leave more slag than weld.
I do get a few slag intrusions, but reweld them. I feel that the stick welds I'm doing are much better/stronger than the welds I've got out of my PIG welder.
On top of somewhere around $200 to fill.
I have beer gas though!
But at least I own the bottle.
It might be cheaper in the city, but I don't go there much.
I'm still learning with the ark welder, but the more I weld the better I get.
I bought a nice inverter stick/TIG, I didn't get the cheapest, but I got the cheapest HF TIG welder I could find. I'm so impressed with the way it stick welds I've had no need for gas for TIG yet. With the digital amps display, I know that I have it on 70 Amps, or 62 Amps if that's what I need.
I got some 2mm rods, but now use good quality 2.5 Rods, as the 2's leave more slag than weld.
I do get a few slag intrusions, but reweld them. I feel that the stick welds I'm doing are much better/stronger than the welds I've got out of my PIG welder.
I guess what I have found is that with MIG you can get a nice looking weld but with little penetration, however with the stick you know if the weld has penetrated or not by the look of the weld.
If you get the MIG amps set right and the feed rate set, you can watch the puddle and tell whether the weld penetrated well while laying it down.
I concure. Watch the puddle. If you need a magnifier lens in your hood, get one, or place a bright light on your work. You shouldn't have to guess if you're getting penetration; you should be able to see it.
Tom
If you use a wire wheel and grinder wheel you can get by with flux core mig. Clean and prep suface. Make sure to atleast wire brush weld each time you stop and continue or cap a weld. I invested in a TIG but used a mig fluxcore for years and never had a problem. Be safe, practice. Use a good welding hemet so you don't get flashed. Good Luck!
Good bright lighting certainly helps with the MIG.
My PIG welder is certainly much happier now it has mains power.
And it is probably 25+ years old!
Been abused and been worked hard.
I did think about buying a new one but opted for a HF TIG/Ark welder instead.
I would like to be able to do a bit of SS fab at some stage.
As well as the TIG is obvious the ultimate for getting a beautiful neat and strong weld.
My Tool shop is happening bit by bit.
But since I got my Inverter welder have only used the old MIG once for welding a really thin wall pocket bike pipe.
My PIG welder is certainly much happier now it has mains power.
And it is probably 25+ years old!
Been abused and been worked hard.
I did think about buying a new one but opted for a HF TIG/Ark welder instead.
I would like to be able to do a bit of SS fab at some stage.
As well as the TIG is obvious the ultimate for getting a beautiful neat and strong weld.
My Tool shop is happening bit by bit.
But since I got my Inverter welder have only used the old MIG once for welding a really thin wall pocket bike pipe.