Dennis If you would please can the Marxist remarks. A thread can wonder as it is a party line conversation and so far a little bit about machining motorized bicycle parts, but politics have no place on this thread. Rick was kind enough to recommend some great books about Jack Abernathy and two of his sons, in the book Bud and Me his boys made a long distance ride on an Indian motorcycle. I have been there in the Tavern where folk vent their unhappiness. I read enough on another forum. Right now it is time for me to flesh out another thread I started about my SF80 build most of which is in this thread as Monday I finally got some seat time after all the dinking around it took to make things right.