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The electric version of the Sportsman oil tank tool box arrived yesterday and is another fine example of Pat's design and fabricating skills. I was somewhat concerned that the 3"x26" would pose a problem because of it's 28" diameter, but all fits fine. I've some selecting to do with switch, connectors and grommets, but the smaller controller is an easy fit. This controller can support 5hp continuous & 8hp peak with the 2kw rated motor 48v. lithium/bms pack. Using a 72v. pack with this small controller is fine ,as it supports multi voltage input, but with less than half the current available with the larger controller.

I've got the fuel tank off the frame in order to get it setup with the battery and wiring necessary, so probably won't mount the oil tank just yet.

Rick C.

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I decided to go ahead & purchase 26" steel wheels, 10 gage ss spokes and billet aluminum hubs front and rear, both set up for rotors with sealed bearings and integrated sprocket to hub. mount on the rear It's the same hub I run on my hybrid but using 10 ga. spokes rather than 12 ga. Rotor mounted on the pedal side. The e-motors make a lot of instant torque and running a 48t. sprocket & wide tire I fear that a hub adaptor won't stay in place.

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Tony01 said:
Doesn’t have to be a great brake thanks to regen; I think one of these treats hubs will go on my next project. https://www.treatland.tv/motobecane...ub-assembly-p/mbk-av89-rear-hub-assy-4498.htm
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Ok, Tony, that's freaky! Motobecane mopeds & bikes are longtime favorites & this is a great looking drum. I'd also need a front and the Sturmy drub hub is pretty sweet. I wonder if they spoke out well with 10ga. or 11 gauge? Worksman rim with a S/A front drum hub. I really don't have anything against the Worksman front drum hub either.

Thanks for reminding me that regen braking is a game changer with braking setups. I have to continue to fight against my seven decades of IC engine/gear head tunnel vision!

Also thanks for the link to treatland.TV I've used them in the past, but not recently. They're a good resource & I'll find out if this particular Motobecane has sealed bearings

Keep the suggestions coming on hubs.

Rick C.
 
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indian22 said:
Ok, Tony, that's freaky! Motobecane mopeds & bikes are longtime favorites & this is a great looking drum. I'd also need a front and the Sturmy drub hub is pretty sweet. I wonder if they spoke out well with 10ga. or 11 gauge? Worksman rim with a S/A front drum hub. I really don't have anything against the Worksman front drum hub either.

Thanks for reminding me that regen braking is a game changer with braking setups. I have to continue to fight against my seven decades of IC engine/gear head tunnel vision!

Also thanks for the link to treatland.TV I've used them in the past, but not recently. They're a good resource & I'll find out if this particular Motobecane has sealed bearings

Keep the suggestions coming on hubs.

Rick C.
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Nice let us know. Can you also ask about the spoke holes? The hub I used on my 212 Yamaha was a 10mm axled variant of this one with a different crappy brake plate. I don’t see it on the treats site. The spoke holes were WAY too big for 11g and I redrilled the hub by hand. It may have been a mismatched plate and hub in the transaction from h’ell from 1977mopeds.com. Stay far away from that outfit!! Treats is good, their measuring accuracy isn’t machine precise but when they say something will work, it does. Like my front 12mm solid axle that measured 11.75mm.. works fine.

Regen is my primary brake. I did a test a few days ago and found I get 5% back, exactly as I was told.
 
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Tony01 said:
Nice let us know. Can you also ask about the spoke holes? The hub I used on my 212 Yamaha was a 10mm axled variant of this one with a different crappy brake plate. I don’t see it on the treats site. The spoke holes were WAY too big for 11g and I redrilled the hub by hand. It may have been a mismatched plate and hub in the transaction from h’ell from 1977mopeds.com. Stay far away from that outfit!! Treats is good, their measuring accuracy isn’t machine precise but when they say something will work, it does. Like my front 12mm solid axle that measured 11.75mm.. works fine.

Regen is my primary brake. I did a test a few days ago and found I get 5% back, exactly as I was told.
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Will do Tony. I ran into a term "reverse throttle" regen. Would you explain how it's employed?

I've had a few transactions over the years that didn't pan out, but overall I feel very fortunate, but I always appreciate a wave off & mark those I'm warned about off my vendor list.

Rick C.
 
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I have the AV89 hub and plan to use 11 gauge spokes. Uses a 12mm axle and bearings with steel side plates. It's 165mm wide from the outside spacer to spacer that come included, the axle is 200mm and the hub uses the 110mm inside diameter sprocket. The 54 tooth sprocket come in and out of stock but the 48 and 44 are usually in stock at treatland. Uses 415 chain.
 
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I spent this morning ordering stuff to complete the electrical setup. Wiring block, connectors, grommets, hole plugs, key switch & silicon hookup wire etc. All correct for components on hand plus a new 80 watt max digital soldering iron & a new set of tips for my old Weller fixed 20 watt gun. I probably should have just bought a soldering station, but I'll attempt to get by without it.

Motor, controller, battery and twist throttle all function together on the bench, so I'm good to go there. I also bought a simple watt, amp, volt digital meter for testing, but it hasn't arrived as yet. Battery and controller claims will be verified by this simple D.C. lie detector.

Really want to keep as much wiring out of sight as is possible without drilling any holes in bar or frame. That goes for brake cables too. Copper fuel & oil lines with a short section of fake throttle cable to the carb and spark plug leads will be quite obvious; in order to complete the functional internal combustion at a glance, look. It's really not my intent to fool any one, but I still want the "What the f#@^ reaction from knowledgeable bikers when they first chance encounter the bike.

Still having fun,

Rick C.
 
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Yeah, I hear you Rick. Concealing eBike wiring is a malady we're both suffering from right now. At least I can maybe add a new frame tube under Bamboo's 'tank' to run the wiring through - but on your faithful tribute it's not that simple.
Good to know primary brake regen has allowed you to opt for drum brakes front & rear, making for a far less contemporary look. Yas!! Kick those discs to the kerb. (Only kidding).
 
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Actually Tony slapped me up side of the head with his regen comment and the link/photo of the Motobecane and this the result of a vendor closed for the virus. Now I'm thinking Worksman wheels; well setup would do the trick, look more the part and still stop my old bones with aid from regen brakes. I'm used to the look of disc on vintage and love the performance, yet the drums look more appropriate.

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The regen reverse throttle is a regular 3-wire throttle mounted backwards on the left bar. Been riding like this and much prefer it over a thumb throttle for the regen. Keeps the bar cleaner despite the mirror which I got used to because I can’t live without now.

I’m also using the cheap combo 3-pos light switch off treats for lights. It took a little bit of grinding to make sure running positive wire thru it didn’t cause problems with the metal case grounding it to the taillight. I guess maybe I should have set it up as a grounding switch. Diode between the outputs :D
 

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