Sat April 13th 2013 is the Next SoCal Motor Bicycle Racing Event

[MotorBicycleRacing]

I feel that you want to stop the advancement of the hobby. this won't be the first time that someone else might want to do something that another has.

I'm sure that if you asked other racers about the cranks they all would agree that they fall into your established rules. .

I already talked to a few people, notice that I said we and it wasn't an
autocratic decision?

Advancement of the sport?
Nope, trying to keep the bikes motorized bicycles and not turn them into
motorcycles with foot pegs.
Also keep it simple and use off the shelf cranks and not have to cut them
down and weld back together.
The Midrange and small bikes can really benefit from cranking on those pedals
for a little extra speed but you have to keep your cranks rotated in the right
position in the corners.

Those cranks you made are ridiculously short and look like foot pegs.
I hope you bring them because I don't believe you can really pedal them.
How about a lap on those short cranks?

Bring the regular ones too because as it stands they are disqualified.

 

[magrider]

i'll take a lap, but it will take probably take a while. lets see how long it takes everyone else to take a lap to make it fair.

 

[MotorBicycleRacing]

i'll take a lap, but it will take probably take a while. lets see how long it takes everyone else to take a lap to make it fair.

It would be just for fun.
They are still disqualified.
I was just talking to Roland of BigBoyCycles cause he sent me pics of
all the 4 bikes they are racing and he says your cranks are ridiculous too.

 

[buck0]

If someone else came up with the idea to have shorter cranks would that make a difference?
Does the mid class even pedal their bikes at all during the race?

 

[magrider]

Roland builds nice looking bikes. see you sat.

 

[MotorBicycleRacing]

If someone else came up with the idea to have shorter cranks would that make a difference?
Does the mid class even pedal their bikes at all during the race?

Don't start that I am picking on you specifically.
No, it wouldn't.
I got all kind of feedback on those cranks and it was unanimous.

It makes no difference if the Midrange Class or the 11 hp class need to
pedal or not or even the "Unlimited Bikes"
The rule is staying and being refined.

Trying hard to keep this fun, affordable with very simple rules.
As I said there is a spirit behind it all, some people get it and
others don't.

 

[Easy Rider]

I'm sure that if you asked other racers about the cranks they all would agree that they fall into your established rules.

I have to agree with Mag on this. That's a part of any type of racing. Manipulating the rules but trying to stay within the rules. Back in the days, We use to think of (loop holes) or ways to barely stay within the rules.
The rules did state "only" functioning pedals and nothing about crank length.
Some might say it's an advantage while others might think differently.
We're too close to the race to start adding on to the rules, it wouldn't be fair to any racer that made their bikes legal to the rules posted a few months ago.

...Just my humble 2 cents

 

[MotorBicycleRacing]

We're too close to the race to start adding on to the rules, it wouldn't be fair to any racer that made their bikes legal to the rules posted a few months ago.

...Just my humble 2 cents

Fair? Take the short cranks off and put the original chrome ones back on.
10 minutes tops.

How is that unfair?

Anyone who thinks they have a cool rule manipulation should run it
by me first so they don't get disappointed.
I have told several racers not to build race bikes with shiftable motorcycle
motors when they asked me and they respected that.

Unfair would be telling magrider that he can't use those Moped tires now
even though he may be the only one with moped tires at this race.

 

[buck0]

Well said Easy Rider, it did just say fictionally pedals but never specified the length

 

[MotorBicycleRacing]

Well said Easy Rider, it did just say fictionally pedals but never specified the length

Because I expected you guys to respect the spirit behind the rule.
I ain't laying down Nascar rules or even rules like M1GP uses.

Do you want a rule book like this?

I highly recommend that everyone reads M1GP's Rule book.
They just did an 8 Hour Endurance race at Grange on our old date April 6th.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xG0n5hlzLnSce0IqcL4lLJ1Am7zDfqoCciViPv2AxPQ/pub

 

[magrider]

good thing you don't have a rule book, or 90% of the people would be banned:

"ALCOHOL - UPDATED - In the interest of the safety of all members and their crews, alcohol consumption is not recommended at any M1GP event prior to, or during a race. Alcohol consumption is not permitted by any rider during the race. Alcohol can be consumed by non-participants in spectator areas only and not in the pit area.

The same rules applies for ANY ILLEGAL SUBSTANCE.

SMOKING - SMOKING IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED AT ALL M1GP EVENTS IN ALL AREAS except for designated areas ONLY.

PIT SPEED LIMIT – The 5 MPH or slower speed limit in the pits will be enforced and applies to all wheeled craft including: cars, race motorcycles, pit bikes, bicycles, push scooters, etc."

although your rules simply state "functioning pedals" no ruling on 'length or looks'

 

[MotorBicycleRacing]

BigBoyCycles.com "Double Trouble" is back and improved!

Yes, it's 2 little 49 cc 2 strokes side by side.

Note that BigBoys bike uses very manly long cranks.

Roland and Timm, I really like the changes you have made like the front fork and that
little nose cone is great.

Click to enlarge.

 

[magrider]

"Do you know of Dr. Freud? His ideas with male preoccupation with size might be of particular interest to you"

 

[bairdco]

i think all bikes over 149cc's should be banned.

by california law, anything over 149cc's is a motorcycle, and since we don't want this sport turning into motorcycle races, they should all be banned.

there's only a few more days till the race, so now's a good time to tell everyone.

that's sarcasm, up there, in case you didn't notice.

i think it's funny that now, all of a sudden, you're being a stickler for rules.

Neil, you regularly break your own rules, or are very lax at enforcing them, and now, 4 days to race time, you spring this short crank rule on Mag and Bucko?

most of the midrange and the bigger bikes don't even need their pedals, and no matter what their crank length, they're all nothing more than glorified footrests. (with the exception of MSRfans pedal start briggs.)

and who are these "others" you've been conspiring with? is there some secret governing body behind the scenes that meets in darkened, smoky rooms and comes up with ways to manipulate the advancement of our sport?

is it the chinese engine mafia?

since you're so keen on voting, why don't you put it to the riders in the mid-range class?

let them decide.

by the way, here's a picture of the cranks i used on my little red racer. they're made by Wald, and haven't been modified at all...

 

[bairdco]

BigBoyCycles.com "Double Trouble" is back and improved!

Roland and Timm, I really like the changes you have made like the front fork and that little nose cone is great.

violates this rule "Race number requirements:
Front number plate with large easy to read block numbers."


i'm not picking on you guys at bigboy cycles, just pointing out how that violations can occur anywhere, and your's was the easiest example.

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[Bigboy]

Not worth to explain!

 

[bairdco]

a bridge built halfway across a river is a pier.

the definition of bridge:1.A structure carrying a road, path, railroad, or canal across a river, ravine, road, railroad, or other obstacle.

("across" is the key word..)

(edit: this post makes no sense now due to the previous post being edited...)

 

[bairdco]

on the subject of cranks, what about christoph's noped?

no pedals and moped tires, yet he's always welcomed with open arms.

i like the guy, and love watching him race, but if bucko's bike's banned, what about christoph's?

 

[MotorBicycleRacing]

Baird, Thanks for your pointless ramblings.

Did you notice that Fred From CR Machine donated those cool
heads?

Whatever happened to the Intake manifold that Fred gave you
about a year ago that you were supposed to test and report on?

I think you should give it to Dennis to bring to the race to give
away as a prize or bring it yourself.

i think all bikes over 149cc's should be banned.

by california law, anything over 149cc's is a motorcycle, and since we don't want this sport turning into motorcycle races, they should all be banned.

there's only a few more days till the race, so now's a good time to tell everyone.

that's sarcasm, up there, in case you didn't notice.

i think it's funny that now, all of a sudden, you're being a stickler for rules.

Neil, you regularly break your own rules, or are very lax at enforcing them, and now, 4 days to race time, you spring this short crank rule on Mag and Bucko?

most of the midrange and the bigger bikes don't even need their pedals, and no matter what their crank length, they're all nothing more than glorified footrests. (with the exception of MSRfans pedal start briggs.)

and who are these "others" you've been conspiring with? is there some secret governing body behind the scenes that meets in darkened, smoky rooms and comes up with ways to manipulate the advancement of our sport?

is it the chinese engine mafia?

since you're so keen on voting, why don't you put it to the riders in the mid-range class?

let them decide.

by the way, here's a picture of the cranks i used on my little red racer. they're made by Wald, and haven't been modified at all...

 

[MotorBicycleRacing]

on the subject of cranks, what about christoph's noped?

no pedals and moped tires, yet he's always welcomed with open arms.

i like the guy, and love watching him race, but if bucko's bike's banned, what about christoph's?

Christophe is in the "Unlimited Class" where the bikes are over 12 HP and
can break some of the rules like not having functioning pedals.
There is no rule against moped tires.

Christophe's noped isn't racing in any of the motorized bike classes
and never has.

bucko's bike is not banned and if he insists on keeping the short cranks
magrider can race it in the Unlimited Class too if he wants to.

There is a huge difference between saying his cranks are too short and
his bike is banned.

Why don't you understand the difference between an Unlimited Bike and
a Midrange class bike?
Seems obvious to me, looks like you are just trying to cause trouble?