I went back out and tried again. It has a little to do with clutch throttle coordination and a little to do with staying off the worst hills. Oh I can work out a way to do things, I usually can. Jim Valvano (sp) The coach at NC state univ when it won the national championship was dying of cancer and his last statement to the student body was "Never give up, never give up, never give up." I like to add one more part, If you think life is too hard on you, remember NEVER GIVE UP.