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EZL

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EZL,
The problem with the stock Hall Effect Mag is it doesn't have a great enough magnetic field.
Get some neodymium magnets. I did.
Option #2 make a magnet holder that brings the sensor closer to the mag. Me and a buddy sorted this out a couple of years ago. I got my experience using Hall Effect float switches.
Tom
Thanks, I might try it on that bike.
 

indian22

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My problem is I’m running out of space on the handle bars, with my GoPro, phone mount and speedometer there’s no mor room on the level area on either side of the stem. I’m using the small bell speedo to take up as little space as possible. I run a flasher front and rear and have it on the bars at a angle next to the mirror.
Greg I blame short handle bars, but then one also has to take into account a normal humans limited wing span as well. Not enough room on the bars then mount a handle bar brace tube...me; I like a racy look on most of my bikes & don't mount any extra stuff on the bars. so I just use the phone app in my pocket. I don't really care about real time data during the ride. If somethings off I'll feel, see or hear it and I wear a sport chronograph watch for time 'cause I'm an old guy & know how to use it from years of navigation B.E. (before electronics) all the old school crap aside I really dote on gps data compiled during a long session cruise, very interesting. GPS maps are the cherries for planning routes prior to rides, but I also run high quality gravel tires for those inevitable surprise sections of secondary routes & enough power to evade the occasional pit bull attack along the byways.

Flashers are a great safety device that I mount on me; front and rear (butt light) pockets.

Rick C.
 

EZL

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Greg I blame short handle bars, but then one also has to take into account a normal humans limited wing span as well. Not enough room on the bars then mount a handle bar brace tube...me; I like a racy look on most of my bikes & don't mount any extra stuff on the bars. so I just use the phone app in my pocket. I don't really care about real time data during the ride. If somethings off I'll feel, see or hear it and I wear a sport chronograph watch for time 'cause I'm an old guy & know how to use it from years of navigation B.E. (before electronics) all the old school crap aside I really dote on gps data compiled during a long session cruise, very interesting. GPS maps are the cherries for planning routes prior to rides, but I also run high quality gravel tires for those inevitable surprise sections of secondary routes & enough power to evade the occasional pit bull attack along the byways.

Flashers are a great safety device that I mount on me; front and rear (butt light) pockets.

Rick C.
Rick, "normal humans limited wing span", :D Some people fly all of the time in their 4-wheelers! Well, Rick and
Greg, I went ahead and "pulled the trigger" on a set of rims and considered what the Township has been doing to a
few roads here I didn't want anymore gravel and dust messing up my wheel bearing so I am going to try a set of BBR
mags on that bike. The price on switching over to a heavy-duty set of spoked rims plus a 1.5" adapter would be almost
twice as much as the mags from BBR on Ebay. One thing about Ebay, there is no hanky-panky with dealers to buyers.

If the rims don't work out they can go on the little bike or go to the recycle center. I checked the wheel base on the new
bike compared to the old one and the difference is around 2" or so length? I have a spring loaded seatpost/seat that I
had on the Sixthreezero and swapped it around yesterday so I could see if there was a comparable difference in ride
between the two bikes. The Sixthreezero rides a lot better than the Micargi maybe because of a few things like extra
engine weight, extended frame and a lower sitting frame. I ran the same route which totals about 17 miles plus and if
I had to choose which bike to go the distance, the 212cc would win every time even though the gas consumption is
quite a lot more. You can tell that the little 49cc has to work harder on the hills and with the wind even though I found
212cc wasn't bothered by either. There's no substitute for torque/horsepower on these bikes you need all you can get.
I have a 36 tooth sprocket on the 49cc for flatland riding and that T-Belt transmission is the biggest problem with those
kits. I also can't see the price the vendors are getting for the kits. The 79cc kits are the best buy for the money!

I will have to try one of the GPS speedometers to see whether they are worth it and it won't be a expensive Garmin.
 

Tom from Rubicon

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I wear a sport chronograph watch for time 'cause I'm an old guy & know how to use it from years of navigation B.E. (before electronics)
Rick C.
Rick, my phraseology is Analog before Digital and I like my analog watch. I've been known to call my self Analog Man. I even ran a Model Shop creating all the "hardware" in support of a company that specialized in A to D converters. I was Mister Wizard's pal.
Tom
 

indian22

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Yes I like my high quality analog watch & can actually read it quickly in bright light. I'm a not much of a night time fellow nor do I wear a watch indoors at home, where I have more than enough digitals showing time. The chronograph has been on many adventures, on four continents & in dozens of countries, over the last forty years & is now a apart of my wrist it seems. The crystal is original and doesn't have a scratch on it! Pretty tough time piece!

Rick C.
 

Tom from Rubicon

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Package came today, Another 41b13 Martin sprocket for the out put side of the reduction drive. But, I already had .500" SS bar stock chucked up in the Logan, so that got drilled 5mm for the length of the drill. first. Then to the bench to figure out how to get the upper front fender stays angled back to the steerer fork of the Felt springer. It has to clear slightly the front suspension fork.
Early Harleys instead of a direct straddle as I am trying to accomplish had a front fender strut sort of J shaped going around and under the moving suspension fork and fastened to the steerer fork. A lot of words for what little got done today. Mind you, I made my eight at work building a welding fixture for Road Widener a Steelcraft product. https://roadwidenerllc.com/
I have done 90% of the tooling to get this into production.
Initially rate was one a day. Can't quote current production rate but instead of all hand weld assembly. They are starting to robotize. As in heavy tacks and then let a robot welder finish holding this large structure complete.
Tom
 

EZL

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EZL

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Yeah EZL, when you were talking Mag wheel. I just not easily kept my trap shut. Glad you found out about Mags.
12ga. spokes are a minimum requirement in our applications, My Flyer has a https://mbrebel.com/product/sturmey-archer-xl-fd-90mm-front-drum-brake-wheel-26-x-2-125-11-gauge-spoke/
And the rear Worksman wheel has a Shimano 110 hub.
I never measured the spokes but have more mass than the front spokes.
Tom
What I did find out which is something to consider, you don't want to ride them on rough terrain with pot holes
since they can't take a lot of rough service boonie crashing. They are strickly for good paved roads. The spoked
wheels can handle the flexing and rough service. Although, the idea of sealed bearings on the wheels is a plus!
 

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EZL

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If it had a 4stroke I'd be bidding against you EZL:)
I haven't placed a bid, BROKE and on a fixed income. .kick2I think one of those bikes with a little 49cc 4-stroke
would be FUN! You would have to watch those pesky car chasers since you would be at eye level with them! A fella
probably would need to buy one of those loud boat horns. :) Waiting on those wheels to come in to see what else I
have to buy just to get the bike running again.
 

EZL

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Any one have a source for 12 ga. or heavier 36 spoke cruiser wheels, 26", with quality sealed bearing hubs?

Rick C.
I have a link to the "Husky" wheels:
Real Heavy 11 ga. Spoked Wheels with coaster brake $96.12 Part Number 507-308:
http://www.huskybicycles.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=hb&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=500-220
Front Heavy Duty Wheel $39.90 Part Number 500-230:
https://www.huskybicycles.com/mm5/m...=3dcb64d419be00dd967dd93fd7869d25&Screen=SRCH
Use the Part Number for the "Search" I don't know for sure if there is a listing on the 36 spoke units?
If the mag wheels I ordered don't work out I'll probably go with those for sure.
 

EZL

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Remember those horse carriage wheels I listed awhile back? The bearings on those I don't think are sealed but
who says a fella couldn't put some in them? The next thing a fella would have to do is rig up a way to bolt on
drive sprocket(s). 8 ga. spokes are super heavy duty with the bearings on them!
 

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The front hubs on the tri car were made by a chap in the U.K. I've forgotten the price now but they had a 22mm sealed bearing. That's just over 3/4" and I bushed it out with a soda can. They were well made and I believe he will drill out the spoke holes to what you need.

They came plain, with disc brake mount on one side or on both sides. Perhaps a sprocket could be mounted one side and a disc brake on the other side. I am going to email him today to see if he is still making them since the last time I bought some was in 2012.

I'll let you know what his his reply is.

Steve.
 
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EZL

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The front hubs on the tri car were made by a chap in the U.K. I've forgotten the price now but they had a 22mm sealed bearing. That's just over 3/4" and I bushed it out with a soda can. They were well made and I believe he will drill out the spoke holes to what you need.

They came plain, with disc brake mount on one side or on both sides. Perhaps a sprocket could be mounted one side and a disc brake on the other side. I am going to email him today to see if he is still making them since the last time I bought some was in 2012.

I'll let you know what his his reply is.

Steve.
If it had a 4stroke I'd be bidding against you EZL:)
I found a link on a 49cc engine brandnew that beats most of the prices I have seen. A fella is far better off going
to a 79cc Predator which needs a CVT.
 

Tom from Rubicon

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There is another transmission made for the 79cc Predi. a EZM "Q-Matic and I have one boxed in my machine shop.
Lynne of MBrebel sold me mine with the intention that I get it to work in the Sportsman Flyer frame. It was a bad idea. There was bad blood between her and Pat.since Lynne started bootlegging his wide pedal crank assembly. She was unapologetic and that was it.
And that is why I have a EZM "Q-Matic trans waiting for an application. I got one of Lynne's bootleg wide crank assemblies in a box in my shop too.
Was in the shop for a couple of hours today getting the front fender mount for the springer fork sorted out. Another hour will get it done. (photos soon) and then got the next 41b13 sprocket loaded in an emergency machinable collet and made one pass with the boring endmill. Tomorrow is supposed to be rainy so I will get more done. I really have to get the Flyer on the road before snow flies. I ain't getting any younger though I do my best to ignore the fact. Have fun guys!
Tom.
 

EZL

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There is another transmission made for the 79cc Predi. a EZM "Q-Matic and I have one boxed in my machine shop.
Lynne of MBrebel sold me mine with the intention that I get it to work in the Sportsman Flyer frame. It was a bad idea. There was bad blood between her and Pat.since Lynne started bootlegging his wide pedal crank assembly. She was unapologetic and that was it.
And that is why I have a EZM "Q-Matic trans waiting for an application. I got one of Lynne's bootleg wide crank assemblies in a box in my shop too.
Was in the shop for a couple of hours today getting the front fender mount for the springer fork sorted out. Another hour will get it done. (photos soon) and then got the next 41b13 sprocket loaded in an emergency machinable collet and made one pass with the boring endmill. Tomorrow is supposed to be rainy so I will get more done. I really have to get the Flyer on the road before snow flies. I ain't getting any younger though I do my best to ignore the fact. Have fun guys!
Tom.
Hope to see the pictures and I know what you mean about pressed for time. I don't like the idea about snow flying which
is not far away. I found out that Lynne has a 13" mounting plate for 79cc and 212cc engines available which I found on
YouTube it's a longer channel drilled with the mounting holes that can mate up to the standard mounts sold by Kings
Motorized bikes and GasBikes. I need to check into it sometime since it would beat welding into the bike frame to use
another mounting plate. I am not impressed with the 49cc transmissions that were available and the EZM "Q-Matic"
is a good transmission but the cost is prohibitive for the average users. The 79cc setup is a good one and too bad a
Comet CVT wasn't built for the 5/8" shaft engines. The Comet CVT sold by GasBike and Kings has a longer shaft
on the jackshaft for a sprocket.
 

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Hope to see the pictures and I know what you mean about pressed for time. I don't like the idea about snow flying which
is not far away. I found out that Lynne has a 13" mounting plate for 79cc and 212cc engines available which I found on
YouTube it's a longer channel drilled with the mounting holes that can mate up to the standard mounts sold by Kings
Motorized bikes and GasBikes. I need to check into it sometime since it would beat welding into the bike frame to use
another mounting plate. I am not impressed with the 49cc transmissions that were available and the EZM "Q-Matic"
is a good transmission but the cost is prohibitive for the average users. The 79cc setup is a good one and too bad a
Comet CVT wasn't built for the 5/8" shaft engines. The Comet CVT sold by GasBike and Kings has a longer shaft
on the jackshaft for a sprocket.
You can get a bushing for 5/8 to 3/4” with slot for key way, and also 1/4” by 3/16” key stock.......Curt
 

indian22

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Thank
The front hubs on the tri car were made by a chap in the U.K. I've forgotten the price now but they had a 22mm sealed bearing. That's just over 3/4" and I bushed it out with a soda can. They were well made and I believe he will drill out the spoke holes to what you need.

They came plain, with disc brake mount on one side or on both sides. Perhaps a sprocket could be mounted one side and a disc brake on the other side. I am going to email him today to see if he is still making them since the last time I bought some was in 2012.

I'll let you know what his his reply is.

Steve.
Thanks Steve I appreciate the help. Though it's not my favorite thing I can lace a couple of wheels if forced. I'd prefer 1/2" axles & sealed bearings, but I'd accept 7/16" or above.

EZL I've bushed the 5/8" shaft on a Lifan 98cc as Curtis suggested and I used the 3/4" Comet CVT. It works well on the test stand, but my other projects preclude mounting this setup on a bike at this time.

Tom I'm running myself ragged this summer with bike upgrades and just normal maintenance stuff. Seven motorized bikes that are ridden frequently and comprise 90% of my daily transportation needs year round are labor intensive...not quite like keeping a 'copter flying but at least a bit every day. Needful things they are and me the enabler! Still it's what I do and I'm still having fun.

Rick C.