Question About Getting Pulled Over in B.C,CA

[fasteddy]

Chriscraft,
You came here looking for opinions about your bike and you have a lot of them. Pick one would be my answer and live with the outcome.

Doesn't matter what time you were at the R.C.M.P. office they told you no. They are the people who are going to arrest you if you ride your bike with a gas motor on it so I'd be inclined to believe them even if they were grumpy. The cop that pulls you over might be more than grumpy. You can only hope for the best.

I posted the I.C.B.C. website and they stated that there can't be a gas motor on a bicycle {cycle in their terms}. That seems pretty official to me since we both know about I.C.B.C. and the law. If you don't think it means you, you will have a very sharp lesson if they stop you on your bike with a motor on it.

If your under 16 you can't ride it anyway and if your under 18 your parent's are responsible for the fines and if your over 18, well you will get a lesson in being called an adult.

Enjoy what ever your decision is.

Steve.

 

[fasteddy]

Harry,
Our laws are your laws except that they were generous enough to let us have 500W of power. There was a real push to keep it at 250W and with the pelac. pedal with it system but the people drawing up the rules said that was to low to encourage people to use them as alternate transportation which was their plan. They also did not add the pedlac feature.

Steve.

 

[POPS]

Kids if your in doubt that the motor vehicle act of BC is what you need to be reading call a local lawyer. An initial consultation asking that simple question would likely be free.

Rock

I just don,t understand why you don.t get it.

It says it ALL in the second line of the link that fasteddy posted

which is ICBC LAW,PERIOD! You don,t need a lawyer to interput:

A MOTOR ASSISTED CYCLE CAN NOT BE GAS POWERED

Keith

Cycle means bicycle. They even have a picture of one!

If your bicycle kit is NOT GAS POWERED your good to go.

Other wise, suffer the outcome when you get stopped.

POPS

 

[Chriscraft112]

Thats wierd cause when I asked about electric kits they said they were illegal also that they have to be government approved with a stamp and all that jazz.

 

[POPS]

Thats wierd cause when I asked about electric kits they said they were illegal also that they have to be government approved with a stamp and all that jazz.

If you read the fine print about an E-bike as what is required
you will see thet it says all commercially built bikes need that stuff.
Look at the bottem of the page that fasteddy posted where it says Manufactures Label.
It does NOT say anything about a bike you build and ride yourself as long as you follow the build rules, 500 watt,peddles, no gas,etc.

POPS

 

[Rockenstein]

So are you all trying to qualify your modified bicycles as a "motor assisted cycle" which requires no registration, plates, insurance, drivers licence and so on? If you are obviously you won't meet the BC specs with a regular bicycle that's been modified with the addition of a Chinese gasoline engine kit. It's spelled out pretty clear in the text of your provincial acts and regulations that if your creation doesn't meet the specs for "motor assisted cycle" it isn't one and this is the legal point some of you are missing!

Here's the text from section 182.1 of the Motor Vehicle Act of British Columbia.

Motor assisted cycles

182.1 (1) A person who is under the age of 16 years commits an offence if that person operates a motor assisted cycle on a highway.

(2) A parent or guardian of a person under the age of 16 years commits an offence if the parent or guardian authorizes or knowingly permits the person to operate a motor assisted cycle on a highway.

(3) The Insurance Corporation of British Columbia may make regulations respecting motor assisted cycles including, without limitation, regulations prescribing

(a) the criteria that must be met by a device in order for it to qualify as a motor assisted cycle for the purposes of this Act,

(b) the requirements that must be met in relation to operators of, and equipment attached to, motor assisted cycles, and

( c) restrictions on what may be attached to or carried on a motor assisted cycle.

The important part is where it says "to qualify as a motor assisted cycle". If you can get your head around that part your golden.


Again here with this Motor Assisted Cycle Regulation document it tells you what a "thing" must be to be considered a "motor assisted cycle".

On the bottom of that document it reads Provisions of the Motor Vehicle Act, R.S.B.C. 1996, c. 318, relevant to the enactment of this regulation: section 182.1 and at the top of the page it reads B.C. Reg. 151/2002

Insurance Corporation of British Columbia

Clearly it is a relevant document to read IF your building a "motor assisted cycle".



So there you have it, the simple and clearly written acts and regulations that govern "motor assisted cycles" in your province. If your home building a "motor assisted cycle" do build to the specifications if you wish what your building to be considered a "motor assisted cycle".


Ok so everything is pretty straight forward except for the question of what do you have if you bolt a gasoline engine to the bicycle you bought at Canadian Tire

Obviously according to British Columbia's acts and regulations it's not a "motor assisted cycle". Right?

So what is it?

A modified "bicycle" perhaps?


You know bicycles, since they are designed to be human powered, are not even considered a "vehicle" according to the Motor Vehicle Act of British Columbia! In the definitions section of the Motor Vehicle Act it says the following.

"vehicle" means a device in, on or by which a person or thing is or may be transported or drawn on a highway, but does not include a device designed to be moved by human power, a device used exclusively on stationary rails or tracks, mobile equipment or a motor assisted cycle;

So if a regular pedal bicycle is not even considered a vehicle in BC and you bolt a gasoline engine or whatever else to it...


Again I'll say if you can't correctly interpret what you read in the acts and regulations I've quoted and provided links to do seek some advice


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[fasteddy]

What the heck is that latest load of hog wash. You are running around in circle like a manure spreader in a field.

If you place a motor which is electric or an engine which it gasoline you have created a motor assisted cycle. Adding a gasoline engine is illegal in B.C.

Steve.

 

[POPS]

So are you all trying to qualify your modified bicycles as a "motor assisted cycle" which requires no registration, plates, insurance, drivers licence and so on? If you are obviously you won't meet the BC specs with a regular bicycle that's been modified with the addition of a Chinese gasoline engine kit. It's spelled out pretty clear in the text of your provincial acts and regulations that if your creation doesn't meet the specs for "motor assisted cycle" it isn't one and this is the legal point some of you are missing!

Here's the text from section 182.1 of the Motor Vehicle Act of British Columbia.




The important part is where it says "to qualify as a motor assisted cycle". If you can get your head around that part your golden.


Again here with this Motor Assisted Cycle Regulation document it tells you what a "thing" must be to be considered a "motor assisted cycle".

On the bottom of that document it reads Provisions of the Motor Vehicle Act, R.S.B.C. 1996, c. 318, relevant to the enactment of this regulation: section 182.1 and at the top of the page it reads B.C. Reg. 151/2002

Insurance Corporation of British Columbia

Clearly it is a relevant document to read IF your building a "motor assisted cycle".



So there you have it, the simple and clearly written acts and regulations that govern "motor assisted cycles" in your province. If your home building a "motor assisted cycle" do build to the specifications if you wish what your building to be considered a "motor assisted cycle".


Ok so everything is pretty straight forward except for the question of what do you have if you bolt a gasoline engine to the bicycle you bought at Canadian Tire

Obviously according to British Columbia's acts and regulations it's not a "motor assisted cycle". Right?

So what is it?

A modified "bicycle" perhaps?


You know a bicycle, since they are designed to be human powered, are not even considered a "vehicle" according to the Motor Vehicle Act of British Columbia! In the definitions section of the Motor Vehicle Act it says the following.




So if a regular pedal bicycle is not even considered a vehicle in BC and you bolt a gasoline engine or whatever else to it...


Again I'll say if you can't correctly interpret what you read in the acts and regulations I've quoted and provided links to do seek some advice


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Rock

Now we are finally getting on the same page.

You agreed that a gas powered bike does not fit into the E bike rules for no lic. ins. etc.

Yes you can get a gas powered bike approved to ride on the road here but be prepaired to jump through a LOT of hoops!!! and spend a LOT of $.

A member, or former member, I don,t know took the legal route about 5 years ago. He was an X RCMP. I met him and thats where I got all my info. from and all the stuff he had to go threw to make it legal. He was the first and maybe the only guy to do it. He had to have everything D.O.T. approved to pass. DOT tires,headlight,taillight,signal lights, rims, etc,etc,etc,.All motorcycle stuff. The bike looked real stupid with a huge lights etc. He first had to get a mechanic to sign it off saying it was safe. That took a lot of tries with many different guys but someone finally signed. Then he had to take it to ICBC to get it approved. After 2 years of trying and $2000 later he did it. This allowed him to get Lic. ins. plate. motorcycle helmet etc and no more bike lanes. Now he was a Moped. He was the guy that told me about the 9 guys here that got there bikes confiscated and got $5000 fines. HE was still a cop then.The bike he had approved had a 49cc Honda and he said a 2 smoke would not fly. So yes it can be done if you want to go that route.

As fate would have it he now rides an E-bike! Go figure. He said less hassle and useing the bike lanes here is the key to getting around traffic!

POPS

 

[Rockenstein]

If you place a motor which is electric or an engine which it gasoline you have created a motor assisted cycle.

Where does it say that? ... None of the BC acts and regulations I read say that. They only say to qualify as a motor assisted cycle! Further to qualify as a motor assisted cycle it would have to meet the specs, if it doesn't it isn't.

Adding a gasoline engine is illegal in B.C.

Nothing I read in BC's provincial acts and regulations says that either.


Like I said if any of you doubt my interpretation of the acts and regulations seek out a local expert and ask some questions.

 

[harry76]

Rockenstein, I apologize if I'm wrong but it would seem at first you were arguing that motorized bikes were infact "legal" and Fasteddy was wrong saying they were illegal........ And in the last post you said they aren't legal but you could (with probably great expense) get them legal if built to guidelines (probably blinkers, brake lights, chain guards, FULL wheel guards etc etc etc etc)........ Talk about moving the goalposts...... Unless I'm wrong, and I'm sure you will tell me if i was, but I think someone owes Fasteddy an apology............ (you lol)

 

[fasteddy]

Mr, Rockenstein,
I can only guess that once again you have forgotten some of our earlier conversation so I will refresh your memory.

I spent weeks off and on contacting various British Columbian agencys that could put some facts on the table about putting a gasoline engine on a bicycle frame.
This included vists to the R.C.M.P head office in Vancouver who were very helpful, the I.C.B.C. head office where I spent half a day talking to the people in charge and who were the ones who informed me about the Canadian Government making the rules that they use as the basis for their provincial laws, my nephews father in law who holds a Masters Degree in Law and the people who put the stamp on the approval of applications for new home made vehicle registrations know more commonly as U Builts in B.C.

Unless you spend a massive amount of money to get it qualified not to mention time and finding a motorcycle inspection site to risk all they own to approve it as a limited speed motorcycle {not a motor bike} it won't happen.

If anything happened to your now limited speed vehicle/ moped that resulted in injury or death to you or another person and it could be traced to the inspection station approving an improperly built, home built limited speed vehicle/ moped they would be hung out to dry by the province and I'm willing to bet their insurance company would refuse to cover them. Thus no one will do the inspection

Putting a gasoline motor on a bicycle/cycle that is 50cc or under now qualifies it as a limited speed motorcycle which requires a a provincially assigned vin number or one assigned by the commercial manufacturer.

There it is in a nut shell. No lawyer, no piece of paper issued from a police computer is going to make it legal. I wish it did like everyone else in this province.

Steve.

 

[Chriscraft112]

Mr, Rockenstein,
I can only guess that once again you have forgotten some of our earlier conversation so I will refresh your memory.

I spent weeks off and on contacting various British Columbian agencys that could put some facts on the table about putting a gasoline engine on a bicycle frame.
This included vists to the R.C.M.P head office in Vancouver who were very helpful, the I.C.B.C. head office where I spent half a day talking to the people in charge and who were the ones who informed me about the Canadian Government making the rules that they use as the basis for their provincial laws, my nephews father in law who holds a Masters Degree in Law and the people who put the stamp on the approval of applications for new home made vehicle registrations know more commonly as U Builts in B.C.

Unless you spend a massive amount of money to get it qualified not to mention time and finding a motorcycle inspection site to risk all they own to approve it as a limited speed motorcycle {not a motor bike} it won't happen.

If anything happened to your now limited speed vehicle/ moped that resulted in injury or death to you or another person and it could be traced to the inspection station approving an improperly built, home built limited speed vehicle/ moped they would be hung out to dry by the province and I'm willing to bet their insurance company would refuse to cover them. Thus no one will do the inspection

Putting a gasoline motor on a bicycle/cycle that is 50cc or under now qualifies it as a limited speed motorcycle which requires a a provincially assigned vin number or one assigned by the commercial manufacturer.

There it is in a nut shell. No lawyer, no piece of paper issued from a police computer is going to make it legal. I wish it did like everyone else in this province.

Steve.

Limited speed motorcycles-Are low-powered motorcycles (that is, mopeds and scooters). LSMs rely on motor power and are gererally not equipped with bicycle-style pedals.

Now even I know that bicycles dont rely on motor power.How this definition meet our builds steve?-Keith

 

[POPS]

Keith

Read about LSM.
They do NOT have to have peddles but if you read all the stuff there you will find that when you put gas on a bicycle that is where it falls and you have to go through all the stuff I said in my last post!!!

You might as well buy a scooter, Much less hassle and way cheeper!

POPS

 

[Chriscraft112]

So if you're saying that putting a engine kit on a bicycle makes it a LSM does a bicycle become a shopping cart if I add a shopping basket?This isnt making sense

 

[fasteddy]

Keith,
The more I see your posts you are starting to sound more and more like Mr Rockenstein.
Same questions, same dribble, same nonsence answers.
I'd have to tell you as I've told him that I really don't give a crop anymore about playing the little tit for tat game.

I am certain you are one and the same person and since I'm not going to be the one paying your fine I don't care what you ride, don't care what you ride nor do I care where you ride it.
So far you have worried about what's legal in Washington State, you've lived in Florida and you sure as h*ll don't live in Whiterock B.C. because the way you describe things is not the way we do it here.

Pure and simple all you want is to argue with people and try your best to show us your legal wit just like Mr Rockenstein with the same dismal failure. There for Mr. Rockenstein please stop.

Steve.

 

[fasteddy]

Mopeds and street-legal scooters are limited-speed motorcycles (LSMs

Here {above} is the first line from the I.C.B.C. moped and scooter legal definition on the web sight.

Steve.

 

[POPS]

Keith,
The more I see your posts you are starting to sound more and more like Mr Rockenstein.
Same questions, same dribble, same nonsence answers.
I'd have to tell you as I've told him that I really don't give a crop anymore about playing the little tit for tat game.

I am certain you are one and the same person and since I'm not going to be the one paying your fine I don't care what you ride, don't care what you ride nor do I care where you ride it.
So far you have worried about what's legal in Washington State, you've lived in Florida and you sure as h*ll don't live in Whiterock B.C. because the way you describe things is not the way we do it here.

Pure and simple all you want is to argue with people and try your best to show us your legal wit just like Mr Rockenstein with the same dismal failure. There for Mr. Rockenstein please stop.

Steve.

+1

Have you noticed that Keith and Rock are never on line at the same time.

Better run to that second computer so yoall can sign on.

POPS

 

[Chriscraft112]

I do live in whiterock actually I moved here from FL about 6 months ago and I have been in the washington argument because Ive done my research for that state and I know for a fact that my build is legal there and that richirich is misinformed.Ive also been reviewing those definitions on ICBC that you have provided for weeks and all the information Rockenstein and orge_power have shared on this thread are starting to make sense as the definitions provided do not meet our builds like they have said before.Also you said that our bikes fit into the motor assisted cycle definition on the previous page and on this page you said they fall into the LSM definition.It seems like rockenstein is correct on how there is no definition or classification for our builds.

 

[fasteddy]

Very true Pops. As you know everyone has a local description of the area. While a visitor goes downtown locals go to the center. The so called Chriscraft never used the local terms that we all use here to describe Washington State. All good terms Washington Staters believe me. I lived and worked there. We just refer to locals in Washington State
differently and if Criscraft was from here he would have used them.

After about the 6th post I had a bad feeling that something was wrong. Then shortly after that Mr. Rockenstein chipped in with advise about me after not posting for a long time since he felt he had opened the door for a triumphant return.

Steve.

 

[fasteddy]

Like I said ride your bike in good health. Do it around here and the cops will give you enough to be sick about.

Steve.