This is why gas bicycles have no future

mason_man

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Mason I've watched the big promise of hydrogen fuel cells since the sixties & the promise has merit though the reality has died over and over...maybe this time.

I like the classics, new or old. Now owning a Crocker that's the Holy grail of Crusader rabbit & by extension me.

Rick C.
Hi Rick, I believe hydrogen fuel is ready to go,just need to figure out the filling stations. Will take minutes to refuel.
We have Hybrid Whizzers already. This is
something (hydrogen)I've been waiting for quite a while.

In the meantime....it's gonna be the Crocker! 1939... I hope :)
Go Big or go home right?

Ray
 
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Crocker's "Speedway" bikes are not as rare as the road bikes, but really sweet too. They lend themselves well for replication by those who build tribute bikes.

Rick C.
 
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Venice Motor Bikes

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Here's a interesting read from Jesse James...

ELECTRIC BOOGALOOS

I would like to start of by saying electric cars and motorcycles can F*ck Off!.
Ok now that we have that out of the way I can explain exactly why.
First and foremost let’s talk about the Ohh so “planet friendly” Formula E racing series. Now at first glance you might think that this “clean” form of racing must be the way of the future, right?? Not so much. Let take a peek at what’s really going on.
The very first indication this might be Bullshit is the 20 CAT Diesel generators in the pits running full throttle charging the batteries for these cars. Each car uses two 550 pound Lithium batteries per race. These batteries put out 250KW of power, and have a maximum output of 54KWH (kilowatt hours). On the high side the average U.S. home uses about 20KWH of power per month. One Formula E car, in one race uses four times that in 50 minutes. The recent Hong Kong race had 25 cars on the grid, using fifty 550lb Lithium batteries in 50 minutes. That’s a total of 2700 Kilowatt Hours. Or more than enough to power 10 homes for a month. That’s a lot of juice! Also the five power-plants in Hong Kong are powered by Diesel, Coal, and Gasoline. Whoopsie!
Now let’s take a look at these newfangled Lithium batteries. The big companies hawking electric cars and motorcycles would love you to believe that Fossil fuel is so harmful, and electric power is so clean. It actually the opposite. We are swapping a carbon monoxide problem that is fixable and controllable. For a toxic Lithium mining that kills wild life, ruins the water table and destroys agriculture. The mining process uses a ton of water. A million gallons of water per 2 metric tons of lithium(Each Tesla has 12 kilos of Lithium). In some South American countries like Chile. Lithium mining uses almost 70% of the countries water supply. Also if you are naive enough to think that there isn’t a bunch of diesel powered machinery used in the process? Think again. These Lithium batteries also leave a toxic footprint on the way out. Contamination of landfills and seeping into the water table.
So I know I have probably bombarded you with all these stats, and you are wondering what it all means? Do your own research. If you look really deep you can see that the companies behind pushing this “clean” stuff on us are Huge energy sellers. They want you to buy that electric power from them, and they want you to use a vehicle that sucks up that power. Also don’t forget the fact they are selling power that is made mostly from Coal or Fossil Fuels.
So I guess my point in all of this is.
If you really want to save the planet? Don’t buy a new car. Get an older car that can be repaired and maintained. It won’t be in the scrap heap after 7 years.
Oh wait I forgot to comment about Cars like the Tesla having a bunch of plastic in them. Isn’t that made from petroleum??? Well I guess I’ll just stash that away for later..

#jessejames
 

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Yes, that is an interesting read from Jesse James. Thank you. However, it is a nonissue in deciding to ride an electric bike because as it was explained to me earlier, what almost everyone rides is: what is more fun and," has little to do with anything else," what is the most quiet, what can be ridden on a variety of bike paths and trails without licensing and what is the most reliable and cleanest to work on while still looking good.
 
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Here's a interesting read from Jesse James...

ELECTRIC BOOGALOOS

I would like to start of by saying electric cars and motorcycles can F*ck Off!.
Ok now that we have that out of the way I can explain exactly why.
First and foremost let’s talk about the Ohh so “planet friendly” Formula E racing series. Now at first glance you might think that this “clean” form of racing must be the way of the future, right?? Not so much. Let take a peek at what’s really going on.
The very first indication this might be Bullshit is the 20 CAT Diesel generators in the pits running full throttle charging the batteries for these cars. Each car uses two 550 pound Lithium batteries per race. These batteries put out 250KW of power, and have a maximum output of 54KWH (kilowatt hours). On the high side the average U.S. home uses about 20KWH of power per month. One Formula E car, in one race uses four times that in 50 minutes. The recent Hong Kong race had 25 cars on the grid, using fifty 550lb Lithium batteries in 50 minutes. That’s a total of 2700 Kilowatt Hours. Or more than enough to power 10 homes for a month. That’s a lot of juice! Also the five power-plants in Hong Kong are powered by Diesel, Coal, and Gasoline. Whoopsie!
Now let’s take a look at these newfangled Lithium batteries. The big companies hawking electric cars and motorcycles would love you to believe that Fossil fuel is so harmful, and electric power is so clean. It actually the opposite. We are swapping a carbon monoxide problem that is fixable and controllable. For a toxic Lithium mining that kills wild life, ruins the water table and destroys agriculture. The mining process uses a ton of water. A million gallons of water per 2 metric tons of lithium(Each Tesla has 12 kilos of Lithium). In some South American countries like Chile. Lithium mining uses almost 70% of the countries water supply. Also if you are naive enough to think that there isn’t a bunch of diesel powered machinery used in the process? Think again. These Lithium batteries also leave a toxic footprint on the way out. Contamination of landfills and seeping into the water table.
So I know I have probably bombarded you with all these stats, and you are wondering what it all means? Do your own research. If you look really deep you can see that the companies behind pushing this “clean” stuff on us are Huge energy sellers. They want you to buy that electric power from them, and they want you to use a vehicle that sucks up that power. Also don’t forget the fact they are selling power that is made mostly from Coal or Fossil Fuels.
So I guess my point in all of this is.
If you really want to save the planet? Don’t buy a new car. Get an older car that can be repaired and maintained. It won’t be in the scrap heap after 7 years.
Oh wait I forgot to comment about Cars like the Tesla having a bunch of plastic in them. Isn’t that made from petroleum??? Well I guess I’ll just stash that away for later..

#jessejames
Jesse James chose to trash talk EVs because of the minority of treehugger customers. The reality is EVs keep the pollution at the power station.

In fact, Jesse James loves his smog so much, he didn’t even bother to make his pricey custom motorcycles clean enough for California. From Wikipedia:

“In 2007 James was fined $271,250 by the California Air Resources Board (CARB) after state officials determined that he had sold motorcycles in violation of California's clean-air laws. According to authorities, James's customized bikes were emitting 11 times the legal limits of hydrocarbons. Investigators also found that the motorcycles did not have state-certified emissions equipment on their fuel tanks. The bikes were sold between 1997 and 2006.[35] James explained that he was unaware of rule changes that required small-volume manufacturers to comply with regulations. James said the CARB refused his offer to recall and modify the uncompliant choppers. Since 2005 West Coast Choppers has built emissions-compliant choppers.[36] James said the fines were excessive and intended to make an example of him due to his company's fame and his celebrity marriage to actress Sandra Bullock, but CARB spokesmen stated their enforcement efforts were aimed at the entire custom industry, and further that they were aware of no offer by West Coast Choppers to recall the motorcycles in question.[37]
 
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Jesse James chose to trash talk EVs because of the minority of treehugger customers. The reality is EVs keep the pollution at the power station.

In fact, Jesse James loves his smog so much, he didn’t even bother to make his pricey custom motorcycles clean enough for California. From Wikipedia:

“In 2007 James was fined $271,250 by the California Air Resources Board (CARB) after state officials determined that he had sold motorcycles in violation of California's clean-air laws. According to authorities, James's customized bikes were emitting 11 times the legal limits of hydrocarbons. Investigators also found that the motorcycles did not have state-certified emissions equipment on their fuel tanks. The bikes were sold between 1997 and 2006.[35] James explained that he was unaware of rule changes that required small-volume manufacturers to comply with regulations. James said the CARB refused his offer to recall and modify the uncompliant choppers. Since 2005 West Coast Choppers has built emissions-compliant choppers.[36] James said the fines were excessive and intended to make an example of him due to his company's fame and his celebrity marriage to actress Sandra Bullock, but CARB spokesmen stated their enforcement efforts were aimed at the entire custom industry, and further that they were aware of no offer by West Coast Choppers to recall the motorcycles in question.[37]
Seems like he would just move his company out of California. I read California is starting to panic about losing businesses and people.
 

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Seems like he would just move his company out of California. I read California is starting to panic about losing businesses and people.
California’s problems are the direct result of it being a one-party state for decades. No checks and balances.

Regardless, if you don’t like the laws in one state then move to another, but don’t resort to breaking the law. It does suck here, and it’s getting much more expensive to live (houses start at about 1.5M), but it is still a great place to live with a booming job market and great weather.