The best condidate for a motor bicycle build

Yeah that's exactly what I want you to think Mr smarty pants. My lowly weak ass direct drive hub has 80 Nm of torque after a little work, which makes it plenty fast for hardtail.

And worse then that for those homely looking bikes, this 48v 30ah battery has enough range to run down the fastest bike you've got twice.
~1500W, impressive, last I looked at the Strom it had a weak ass 'water bottle' battery and the controller in that triangle case, not a big cool triangle battery like you have.

None the less...

If by 'run down' my fastest bike you simply mean eventually catching up to where I ran out of battery power running a ~22Ah battery and go past it sure... an extra ~8Ah larger battery will give you that range.

But, there is no way in **** your single speed hub drive E-bike can compete in any other way against my 8-speed shifter bud, don't be silly...

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Gears change everything and you know this...

I'll kick your ass off the line and be farther ahead when I get into overdrive that you will never lead any kind of race.

As for my 'homely builds' ya, that is correct, my shop is in my home but my customers don't seem to mind, in fact they kind of dig the work I do for them ;-}


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Well,I can't say for absolute sure, but it seems Kent has taken over qc. my stolen Kent roadtech has good welds, a nice thick, strong frame, and 32mm deep double wall alloy rims with 16ga spokes that had a chronic loosening problem. I will use another Kent for my new 212 build, very likely one of their cruisers. Most of their bikes have caliper or disc brakes, have 21 speeds at most, and use steel frame construction. I will always check welds, and wheels. I will also use their mountain bikes for my off-roaders.

Really, the best candidates have good welds, steel frames, have a low cost, dual wall rims with thick spokes that will actually stay tight, has at least 7 gears, and has disc brakes. For 250, I found twenty bikes online that have disc brakes, 21 speeds, single wall rims, steel construction, front suspension, and diamond frames. What you will not find however, are full suspension steel bikes with disc brakes, 21 speeds, dual wall rims, 12 ga spokes, and a triangle large enough for an engine period.

I have no professional welding experience except for one weld I made at a technical school. I am a self taught bicycle mechanic and I have done my own repairs and replacements for the entire time I've been biking. I started at 6, I'm 21 now. I have done simple adjustments all the way to completely rebuilding a bottom bracket, a headset, and both hubs on a bike with a myriad of loose parts. All moving parts were shredded so badly its a wonder that bike made it to me on its own wheels at all (he rode it to me). I have lost most of my tools at this point, but I don't have any bikes that need the tools I lost at the moment.

I agree with whomever said motor bicyclists should be bicyclists first, but I think they should be bicycle mechanics first,so they know which parts are most likely to fail first,and which should be tightened and replaced/regreased, and at which intervals. Bicycles are like cars in that they need careful maintenance. The main difference is the ease and cost of maintenance.
 
From my experience Kent bicycles have good frames. Most of the other components are usually low quality, but that that keeps the initial cost down, which allows you to buy the kinds of parts you prefer. My first motor bicycle was a Kent.

Good old, Atomic BB

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From my experience Kent bicycles have good frames. Most of the other components are usually low quality, but that that keeps the initial cost down, which allows you to buy the kinds of parts you prefer. My first motor bicycle was a Kent.

Good old, Atomic BB

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Bikes like that remind me of bottle rockets and those plastic 'rockets' you filled with water and then pumped up with air launch.

I figure he don't have far to go.

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Yeah. They been trying to run me out of town for years . I think the sonders would look cool if it had panels on the back covering the wheel between seat and chain stay. Complete the look its kind of haf neked . You guys all have cool bikes . Just, not as cool as mine. Be kind,rewind.
 
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You guys all have cool bikes.
Just, not as cool as mine.
Be kind,rewind.
VCR's were cool for their time, so were turn tables and vinyl records.
I remember having a stand alone VCR tape re-winder.

Heck, I am Blu-Ray, Netflix, Amazon and 6 turner DVR now that I am spending more time horizontal.
 
Whatever people like is what's best for them, but from a sales stand point Storm's are doing very well.

Same thing goes for internet traffic about Storm bikes. The Storm owners group on Facebook has a 1000 more members than Endless Sphere FB which by all rights should be the most popular, and our owners group is picking up 40 to 50 new members a week.

I could be wrong, but I think electric bikes in general are starting to have a huge impact on the motor bicycle market. I know at least for myself, I'd never go back to gas bikes now, because electrics just have too many more desirable elements about them.

After a lifetime of riding bikes with loud exhausts that have names like Thunderheader, I find the near total silence of a hub drive eBike very pleasant. eBikes also enjoy certain protections under federal law that gas bikes don't have, like being able to ride on a multi use trail made with federal tax dollars. Or being able to take your bike on a commuter train. Presumed legality plays a roll too I'm sure
 
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Ok, but you still can't take it legally on any path with any "no motor vehicles" signage. Unless you aren't using the motor. And in either case, I prefer the loud exhausts. It gives character to the bike. These silent electric motors, well, I think they mute the character to the point where its just the frame giving it. Then you might as well just get a pedal bike if it weren't for the speeds. At least an engine adds character to the frame, so you can have a sick frame, and a sick engine, and people will be like WOW, nice bike! Or you can have a sick frame, and a nice fast electric motor, and people will be like, oh, ok, that's a cool bike.
 
I'm a 50" HD PS4 Netflix guy myself. I ride a diy electric. I'm redoing my Schwinn right now. Changed the handlebars and put the battery in the frame triangle ( like a sonders). Honestly if I didn't already have two electrics I would probably have gotten a sonders with aluminum frame and shocks. Working on bikes is getting to be more work than I can handle. Only problem with sonders is the wait time. Actually, electrictrike.com has some really cool e trikes I wouldn't mind having. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t--JGQhvvlo&t=543s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfimKXltLBQ I like watching ebike reviews on youtube.
 
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From my experience Kent bicycles have good frames. Most of the other components are usually low quality, but that that keeps the initial cost down, which allows you to buy the kinds of parts you prefer. My first motor bicycle was a Kent.

Good old, Atomic BB

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I remember the Atomic BB!, BN. dang, we be getting old. Just funny what was so new and novel. Not to get all nostalgic but was so much fun when we were all exploring the limits and trying new ideas. All the good became the norm and all the bad were still fun. Kinda like Edison's first 700 light bulbs. Didn't matter if it worked. We would all just sorta do a collective sigh and try again. And folks like MSRFAN who had really done it and done did it right and tried to tell us.... dang kids, LOL.

The China doll/Happy time has been around since wut? WWII? or so...

I found out or saw my first build bore an uncanny resemblance to the 1903 Harley Davidson. Really blew me away. Same frame shape and pedals.

I have google set to notify me with any mention of "motorized bicycle" For years it was, every day, "wasn't wearing a helmet, airlifted and often died.

But for the last 2 years, it's about E-bikes. I have been saying for years here that I thought that was the future. Just makes sense. A motor (electric) has one moving part. Think of a jet vs a piston airplane engine. Simple is better and less stuff moving, less stuff braking. I have yet to build or buy an e-bike. But do think it is the future. The storage of the fuel has always been the big down fall. Batteries are getting amazing.

But in the end, it's what the end user, builder or consumer is going to enjoy.

And thinking the answer to the original question of BN's thread is there really can't be just one.

Then again, I have never met a MB I didn't like. Or beer.
(except for "Orangejaboom" Orange flavored beer! WTF is wrong with those people!?!? Orange flavored beer! That's just wrong!
 
Ok, but you still can't take it legally on any path with any "no motor vehicles" signage. Unless you aren't using the motor.

This is actually not the case, but few people are aware of it. Those signs referring to no motor vehicles only apply to vehicles classified by the state as motor vehicles, which does not include what federal law classifies as "low power electric vehicles". In the case of electric bicycles that means any bicycle with 750w or less. Federal law specifically states that LPEV are not considered "motor vehicles". Most states that have bothered to write statutes about electric bicycles typically just copy the federal statute, or stick close to it, California being one of the few exceptions which recently adopted more comprehensive laws.

Also included as LPEV are personal mobility vehicles such as rascals, and Segways, wheel chairs, and there's other special rules about golf carts riding on streets too. Electric golf carts are legal on streets up to 20 mph, and I forget the minimum age of drivers, but it's something like 14 yr old.

There's also a separate federal stature that protects LPEV, that says any public multi use trail built all, or in part with federal dollars must allow access to LPEV, and this includes access to commuter trains, and buses, if space is available.

Unfortunately, or fortunately depending how you look at it, this leaves all gas bikes out of the equation.
 
Then again, I have never met a MB I didn't like. Or beer.
(except for "Orangejaboom" Orange flavored beer! WTF is wrong with those people!?!? Orange flavored beer! That's just wrong!

I can no longer tolerate any orange flavored alcoholic drinks after a few unfortunate episodes with Southern Comfort. If you think it tastes bad going in, you'll really hate the taste when comes back out LOL.
 
Orange juice is good for you. Vodka gets you drunk. I don't drink but maybe I should. Yeah, I remember the " good ol days" on here too. Nobody knew anything about china girls you had to figure them out yourself one problem after another. mounts wont fit, clutch wont move, chains too long, carb wont work, throttle wont work, sprocket wont work. ebike kit= change wheel, charge battery, done. I'm riding what I got but I want one of those trikes. https://www.electrictrike.com/
 
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I can no longer tolerate any orange flavored alcoholic drinks after a few unfortunate episodes with Southern Comfort. If you think it tastes bad going in, you'll really hate the taste when comes back out LOL.

Was sipping a screwdriver and did the spit, gag, hold it in thing. Then caught the irony of "I'm drinking an OJ drink. LoL, had to be there but be glad you weren't.

I'm going to Harbor Fright. Easter sale. 25% off baby and the regular freebees!

I think I have the largest personal collection of free HF flashlights, screwdrivers (no pun) and tarps in Connecticut.

No kidding, the host a MB ride/get together kit from the forum, is or was designed around free HF flashlights.
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I gotta hit HF up for some sort of deal with the forum.
 
I have google set to notify me with any mention of "motorized bicycle" For years it was, every day, "wasn't wearing a helmet, airlifted and often died.

But for the last 2 years, it's about E-bikes. I have been saying for years here that I thought that was the future. Just makes sense. A motor (electric) has one moving part. Think of a jet vs a piston airplane engine. Simple is better and less stuff moving, less stuff braking. I have yet to build or buy an e-bike. But do think it is the future. The storage of the fuel has always been the big down fall. Batteries are getting amazing.

But in the end, it's what the end user, builder or consumer is going to enjoy.

What's funny is if you look at some of my early posts years ago when I first joined this forum, even though I didn't really know jack about eBikes, I was pretty sure they were all, slow, no range, and expensive, and I didn't mind telling you so. My how things have changed.

The Atomic BB was my first china girl. It went 26 mph, and by the time I considered it perfected I had about $1,800 in it. With a 1/2 gallon of gas it's range was about 50 miles.

My Storm tops out at 27 mph. knowing what I know now I could duplicate it for about the same $1,800 and it has the same range as the Atomic BB had running at top speed, but with a little speed management it would beat the Atomic at range too.

The major differences between the two are, the electric doesn't vibrate. No appreciable motor noise. Almost zero cost for fuel, and oil. Super dependability, and it has it's full power output available from 1 mph all the way to top speed.

I loved the Atomic BB, but it seems more like a relic from the last century after riding electric. It's funny, electrics were popular before gas motors were, and now after more than a 100 years they're headed to being the most popular again.
 
Actually the Atomic BB probably gets the blame for my defection over to electric side. One day when I was riding it around town I saw up ahead that a bicycle was riding down the street. I decided to race up next to it, and show my bike off to whoever was riding it. The fellow was real nice, and of course he started asking questions about my bike. Then I noticed something looked funny about his bike as I realized he was riding an electric bicycle. He built it from a kit and had been riding it for a couple years. It had a 500w hub motor, and 2 bottle battery's in the V. He ask if I wanted to ride his bike, so we switched bikes, and rode together for a mile or two. His bike would only go about 18 mph with me on it, but it would pull away from a stop on it's own power. I didn't really care for it much, because it seemed so slow.

After that we switched back, we went on our separate ways. I didn't really like his bike much, because it seemed so slow, but there was something about it that appealed to me, and I couldn't put my finger on what it was. I never completely got it out of my mind.

I guess that's why I'm a biknut
 
My son has the 50" my dad gave me when it quit working, it was just the bulb ;-}
He bought a 65" and I got that when he died.
Been through 3-4 ~$100 lamps since then but the HD pic is still great.
Man id hate to have to move that thing but i bet its nice
 
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