Neil, you posted that you are going to have a class for the 79cc &99cc harbor freight engines. where does the gx120 fall into this?
Can So. Cal.form a racing asso.?
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My thoughts are a GX120 can be built to produce up to 15hp quite easily, what's the max you can squeeze out of a HF79 or 99cc engine with nearly no hop-up parts available? My 99cc HF is less than 4hp and a stock GX120 is rated as 4hp. Hmmmm.
this thread, like every other racing thread on this forum, has veered off topic and became another place for people to publicly bash each other.
i've edited my posts because i don't want anything to do with it anymore. my original intention was to offer my help if anyone wants to do something new to further advance the racing aspect of our little hobby. and that offer still stands.
i would also be just as happy to build my bikes and ride them without getting involved in the politics. as i stated before, if nothing changes, we should all just shut up and deal with what we got.
sorry if you think i'm here to talk about myself. i can see where you're coming from, and i wish i would've let it go sooner, as nothing good ever comes from these personal battles.
neil, i'm sorry. the conversation i had with dave and jim rust led me to believe that you were selling the parts given to you for the races. i misunderstood, and i was wrong.
i never wanted to become your nemisis. i, like many other people, get upset with a lot of your decisions regarding your races. but the bottom line, is you're the one organizing them. if we want to keep racing them, we need to accept your decisions and live with them.
i've finally realized that there's nothing i can do to change who you are, so i'm truly sorry for all the trouble i've caused you. it got us both nowhere, and after years of this, we're still arguing about the same old things.
we can stop that right now, if you want. we'd both be better off if we just let our differences go and put it all behind us.
all i ever wanted to do is build cool bikes and race them with my friends, and our petty bickering takes all the fun out of it. i'd like to get back to the time when my only battles were on the track, and ended when the race was over.
i've edited my posts because i don't want anything to do with it anymore. my original intention was to offer my help if anyone wants to do something new to further advance the racing aspect of our little hobby. and that offer still stands.
i would also be just as happy to build my bikes and ride them without getting involved in the politics. as i stated before, if nothing changes, we should all just shut up and deal with what we got.
sorry if you think i'm here to talk about myself. i can see where you're coming from, and i wish i would've let it go sooner, as nothing good ever comes from these personal battles.
neil, i'm sorry. the conversation i had with dave and jim rust led me to believe that you were selling the parts given to you for the races. i misunderstood, and i was wrong.
i never wanted to become your nemisis. i, like many other people, get upset with a lot of your decisions regarding your races. but the bottom line, is you're the one organizing them. if we want to keep racing them, we need to accept your decisions and live with them.
i've finally realized that there's nothing i can do to change who you are, so i'm truly sorry for all the trouble i've caused you. it got us both nowhere, and after years of this, we're still arguing about the same old things.
we can stop that right now, if you want. we'd both be better off if we just let our differences go and put it all behind us.
all i ever wanted to do is build cool bikes and race them with my friends, and our petty bickering takes all the fun out of it. i'd like to get back to the time when my only battles were on the track, and ended when the race was over.
The Midrange class will have a sub class of the 79 cc / 99 cc HF spec class.
You will all be racing together and scored separately with trophies for
both classes.
I think it time to get back on track , what can WE do to make this work . Do you want a association ? Dan
The only reason there would be a need to have an association is if there was more than
1 race being promoted and I wanted to race the same bike at other promoters events.
an association would have a standard set of rules/regulations that all promoters would comply with.
As it stands now there is only one race promoter therefore he is the race association.
Although an association could use 'membership dues' to promote the hobby through
advertising, websites, club functions outside of racing, etc. Which means it could cost more
to race because there would be the added cost of the yearly and or monthly dues.
I love to race, I love to hang out with people with similar interest. I hate politics...
1 race being promoted and I wanted to race the same bike at other promoters events.
an association would have a standard set of rules/regulations that all promoters would comply with.
As it stands now there is only one race promoter therefore he is the race association.
Although an association could use 'membership dues' to promote the hobby through
advertising, websites, club functions outside of racing, etc. Which means it could cost more
to race because there would be the added cost of the yearly and or monthly dues.
I love to race, I love to hang out with people with similar interest. I hate politics...
Again this is my point,"we" can make an association of like minded people to make motorized bike racing a real sport. Magrider is right, that is what it's for. I don't want this sport to be dictated by the whims of one man, I don't know if others read the posts leading up to the last race about classes,bike specs.or "this may be my last race"
I believe the association MUST be separate from the promoter because one has the good of all in mind and one has a living to make. I can't do it alone.
Please no more posts in this thread about how great the last race was. Their were some concerns I won't get into on this thread. Later Bob
I believe the association MUST be separate from the promoter because one has the good of all in mind and one has a living to make. I can't do it alone.
Please no more posts in this thread about how great the last race was. Their were some concerns I won't get into on this thread. Later Bob
Huh? What is your point? What were the concerns? Why not discuss the issues that are bothering you? Later scotto- ?
It's all under control thank you, with the last race as a final warning to a few
racers.
If we have to lose a few racers so be it. Asking racers to not drink alcohol
from morning to about 4.30 PM is not asking a lot.
SMBR = SoCal Motor Bicycle Racing has been a very friendly and low rule
organization and will continue to be so. The spirit of the races is that it is
a Fun event but basic safety rules will be enforced for the good of all and
to ensure that SoCal Motor Bicycle Racing grows and flourishes.
We have 40 days to the June 1st race which is our 7th race and 2 year
anniversary.
There will be a full set of SoCal Motor Bicycle Racing rules posted very soon
and every participant will be issued a copy at the gate when you sign in.
Also the rules will be posted on the notice board at Grange Motor Circuit for
spectators who want to start racing.
A temporary SoCal Motor Bicycle Racing website will be at:
http://MotorizedBicycleRacing.blogspot.com
ALCOHOL
In the interest of the safety of all members and their crews, and spectators
alcohol consumption is not recommended at any SMBR event prior to, or during a race.
Alcohol consumption is not permitted by any rider during the race.
Alcohol can be consumed by non-participants in spectator areas only and
not in the pit area.
At Grange Motor Circuit that would be outside the gate as there is no
separate fenced pit area and no way to enforce the alcohol rules.
This is per our insurance rules and Grange Motor Circuit rules.
Alcohol can be consumed in the pits after the event is over.
A SMBR racing event is officially over AFTER the last race of the day and when
the Race Director or Announcer, announces that the event has concluded.
No riding on the track will be allowed after the last race until the Trophy and
Prize Ceremony which will be 1/2 hour after the last race has concluded.
PLEASE SHOW UP PROMPTLY for the Prize and Trophy Ceremony, thanks.
Any racers or new riders wanting to get some track time after that must get
a pass from the race director and you can not have been consuming alcohol.
If any racer or crew-member is found to be intoxicated they will be asked to leave
the pit area and possibly the racing venue and all fees paid will be forfeit.
If the rider or team member violates this rule a 2nd time, the rider and/or team will
be not allowed to race and only attend as spectators.
SMBR takes safety very seriously and will not compromise the safety of the
riders and/or their families and spectators.
The same rules applies for ANY ILLEGAL SUBSTANCE.
MEDICATION
If for ANY reason, a rider is taking any type of medication which may impair their reflexes or judgement in any possible way, they must notify race direction.
A mandatory examination of the rider to be performed by on site EMT may be requested by race direction to test if the rider is fit and alert enough to race.
IF ANYONE IS DISCOVERED TO BE RIDING UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF ANY SUBSTANCE ILLEGAL OR OTHERWISE WHICH MAY IMPAIR THEIR RIDING, THEY WILL BE WITHDRAWN FROM THE RACE EVENT.
Race direction will decide if the rider will be suspended or banned from racing for that day or permanently.
All fees paid will be forfeit and each situation will be handled on a case by case basis.
Cool, what kind of help are you offering?
Do you ride at the events or were you there as a spectator?
We have volunteer flaggers, starter and Travis who is paid to
sign everyone up, issue wristbands and score.
The volunteers get a free admission with the race paying their
insurance and a pizza lunch.
msrfan one of the SoCal Motor Bicycle Racing advisers had a
good idea today that we have a tip jar to compensate these
volunteers.
None of the racers have to do these tasks now so they can
concentrate on wrenching, racing and checking out all the
bikes at the show and don't have to listen to me on the PA
begging for scorers and flaggers!
Travis the scorer could use help with our low tech simplified
scoring system with recording DNF's, lapped riders and help
putting on wristbands, etc, to speed up sign in.
We need people to do tech and safety gear inspection and help
with our stricter no alcohol policy until after the races.
email me at [email protected]
Thanks.
PS: Thanking turkman for a great race is ironic because he had
nothing to do with it.
The April 13th race was my 6th race since June 2011
The June race will be our 7th race and 2 year anniversary.
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If you want to take the load off my back I only ask for a very few
things from you and all the other participants.
Please send me an email at [email protected]
before every race if you are coming or not so I can lay out
the schedule and plan the event.
Include the usual basic info.
PLEASE PUT YOUR CHOSEN RACE # IN THE EMAIL SUBJECT.
1) Please include your forum name and your RACE NUMBER
2) Real name and how you want to be listed on the Race Results.
3) Type of bikes / class you are riding in on the track?
Two bikes in 2 classes?
Three classes?
PS: All of your race bikes in different classes use the same #
4) How many spectators / pit crew coming with you?
Other racers coming with you?
5) Arriving Friday? or Saturday?
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The other issue that would really be appreciated at the track is to
treat the Trophy and Prize Ceremony as a scheduled event just like
a race.
You wouldn't be late for a race so don't be late for the Ceremony.
If you are late for a race you don't get to race.
The Trophy and Prize Ceremony will be held PROMPTLY 30 minutes after
the last race of the day.
We need the 30 minutes to figure out race results, who gets what prizes
and trophies, special awards and other stuff.
This is a big issue for me and people who keep packing up, chit chatting
when told many times that the prize ceremony is NOW are very rude and
inconsiderate.
I would rather use a carrot to get you there on time, in fact show up 5
minutes early please.
This will be on the punch list at the mandatory racers meeting at 9.40am
Thank You!
Baird, I appreciate your apology.
The vast and some what silent majority of racers support SMBR and our rather
rule light fun version of racing.
You, turkman, etc are in the rather vocal minority that want to kill the sport with
picky rules.
I have been doing this for almost 2 years through thick and thin and have a very
good handle on what the majority of racers want.
If you think the way the races have been organized is all my decisions then you
are really out of touch.
As you have read in this thread about drinking at races which is a vital issue for
the continuation of our sport there will be strict rules and the same goes for
safety gear.
Other rules will only be instituted if really necessary and the classes will be defined
in more detail while still allowing off beat bikes to be included if possible.
You were treated well at the last race even with our differences, keep racing please
it wouldn't be the same without you on the track.
If you have any more issues about prizes, EMT's etc a PM or phone call would clear
stuff up fast with no public drama.
Thanks.
The vast and some what silent majority of racers support SMBR and our rather
rule light fun version of racing.
You, turkman, etc are in the rather vocal minority that want to kill the sport with
picky rules.
I have been doing this for almost 2 years through thick and thin and have a very
good handle on what the majority of racers want.
If you think the way the races have been organized is all my decisions then you
are really out of touch.
As you have read in this thread about drinking at races which is a vital issue for
the continuation of our sport there will be strict rules and the same goes for
safety gear.
Other rules will only be instituted if really necessary and the classes will be defined
in more detail while still allowing off beat bikes to be included if possible.
You were treated well at the last race even with our differences, keep racing please
it wouldn't be the same without you on the track.
If you have any more issues about prizes, EMT's etc a PM or phone call would clear
stuff up fast with no public drama.
Thanks.
We already have an association, it's called SoCal Motor Bicycle Racing.
If you want to help that option has always been there.
See you on June 1st and we can talk.
Thanks
Yes, I am the only race promoter but I represent the wishes of the vast
majority of all the racers who want to keep it FUN and even those that
are into serious competition.
It has been a rather passive association because most people are happy
with the way the races are going and the strife last year really set us back.
There is no way to please everyone and I have accepted that a long time
ago.
You used to be part of the racers making decisions but you stopped answering
the phone so that was your decision.
I have 2 mentors now Jim Granger a former race promoter and recently
Young Lee the one man promoter for M1GP who race on the same tracks
as we do and has been hanging in there for 5 years.
We will meet M1GP on the last race on Oct 19th because they are racing
on Oct 20th at Grange Motor Circuit.
They have a $10,000 Mylaps timing system and all their racers have
transponders. They also hire 2 umbrella girls for every event.
Sttars is another one man successful supermoto race series that has
been around forever run by Don Canet.
I have read their rules and studied them and am basically modeling
SoCal Motor Bicycle Racing after them.
If you have never asked to help you have no idea what the plans are and
what action is being taken.
OK, to address the this will be my last race hissy fit.
I am getting used to being attacked by people online and abused.
It's just an unavoidable part of building anything especially online.
Just a momentary well deserved reaction to a lot of aggravation.
Being at the race in real life as opposed to online crap showed
me that all my efforts were worth while and i will keep at it!!!
If I ever decide to quit I will hand the organization over to a trusted
person/ persons who will continue the spirit of the races.
That means all the branding, logo, Facebook page and soon to be website.
Whims??? I don't operate on whims, every decision is discussed and
backed by other racers who are directly involved.
turkman, you are the one with the agenda because you want to graft
a moped cylinder onto a China Girl case to race in the PRO class.
You can race your hybrid in the next PRO race if you get it finished by
June 1st but all it will do is start a HP and Dollar war with Arrow Cycles
because if you can do it so can they, get it?
You don't get rules just for you.
Arrow will match your modification with their modification.
You couldn't even have built that motor if Dave at Arrow hadn't of made
that expensive crank for you.
You were offered a case reeded bottom end for the same money but you
didn't take the offer.
The China Girl class should use standard parts and not moped cylinders.
Stock cases, crankshaft and cylinder that can all be modded.
A moped cylinder is not a China Girl or recognizable as one.
Not a good trend in my opinion and NOT a WHIM.
Arrow Motor cycles uses ALL stock parts, even the Skyhawk case bearings,
needle bearings, stock clutch pads, CDI, and contrary to some inaccurate
reports on the forum their motors are not rebuilt every race and rarely
blow up. The winning motor on April 13th had 3 races on it and the 2nd
motor had 4 races.
A living???
Would do 3 times as well making minimum wage at McDonalds.
Luckily I have tech support work and other stuff I can do at the same time.
If it was about $ wouldn't be running races for less than you can practice
at most tracks!
We ain't doing anything like midget racing rules!!!
That is a terrible idea.
AGK who unfortunately has had a lot on his plate so he hasn't been
at the races for a while is part of the SoCal Motor Bicycle Racing advisers
and I talk to him before every race.
Shane sells racing engines and parts to the go kart race crowd.
Shane doesn't race go karts now because of the picky rules and attitudes
of the rules guys but he loves the motorized bike races because they are fun.
He said he will be at the June 1st race.
We ain't gonna make that mistake.
here's to all the guys that come to the races because they are fun.
PS: Thanks turkman for your doing the start, finish and timing at the
October race. You did a great job but you have only been to 2 races.
I am more than puzzled that you made zero mention of this association
stuff at the very recent April 13th race when i was hanging out with you
by the fence and your response that "I was too busy" to talk to was even
more puzzling.
Don't worry you can race your China Girl moped mongrel in the PRO class
on June 1st. It will be interesting.
You want to help?
SoCal Motor Bicycle Racing could really use a set of 5 walkie talkies for
the 2 flaggers, starter, scorer and myself at a minimum.
If you have a set lying around that you don't use they would really help
out at the future races.
Thanks
if you have a black and white laser printer with a USB connection we
could use that too.
SMBR has a nice set of flags and a very low tech lap counter!
SoCal Motor Bicycle Racing could really use a set of 5 walkie talkies for
the 2 flaggers, starter, scorer and myself at a minimum.
If you have a set lying around that you don't use they would really help
out at the future races.
Thanks
if you have a black and white laser printer with a USB connection we
could use that too.
SMBR has a nice set of flags and a very low tech lap counter!
Neil, this thread isn't about you, it is and has been a discussion about organizing a racing association,not an attack of you. The question still remains valid,your point is "the sport is doing just fine!" so the rest of us that aren't in the" silent majority "should just F-O because that is what this last set of rants sounds like.
On a lighter note I think it is a great thing to have you really set down some ground rules I hope that we can keep racing Later Bob
On a lighter note I think it is a great thing to have you really set down some ground rules I hope that we can keep racing Later Bob