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Rocky_Motor

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Can someone explain to me what a jackshaft does entirely? Can it act as a shift kit too?

I also can't seem to find a kit for it anywhere.. Not even sick bike parts

I'd like to put it on my mountain bike set up in the future sometime. I've seen a video of it somewhere but I wasn't sure if it is a fixed speed or works by the bikes original method of derailer shifting.
 

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A jack shaft is normally used to get the final ratio needed between the engine and wheel.

Without a jack shaft that achieves the extra ratio normally needed for a specific size motor, you would need a very big final sprocket.

SBP makes a nice motor mount and jackshaft mount without and with a shiftkit. Many many of them sold to happy campers. Their 4 stroke kit is fine stuff . You can buy the new jackshaft mount for $49. But would recommend buying it with the motor mount,
, it all ties together.

There are many ways to diy. What motor do you have in mind?

Ron .....cvlt1
 

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I got the 66cc flying horse from bikeberry.com. It gets here tuesday, I am quite excited. If I end up making another bike I'll probably go to thatsdax though, as I could probably just pick up the entire thing in an hour since I live somewhat near to him.
Or may buy his titan 2 stroke motor in the future.. That's not a china girl still is it? Still lookin into that vs a pocket bike motor.

Anyway, the reason I ask about a jackshaft is because when I saw it, it looked like it was somewhat with the bike chain and may use the bike chains rear derailer. As you described it, it doesn't sound to be quite the case. Sounds useful still though. Just tryin to get an idea on it. All the wonderful parts that you can get for a motorized bike tends to start adding up in price :p but if I happen to really love doin it, then I can certainly justify the expense!
 
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The SBP's shift kit uses a jackshaft to transfer the motor power to the pedal side. Through the use of a front free wheel system this will allow the motor to drive the bike chain, which will let you use the bikes gears to stay more in the motors power band.
 

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My shifter bike has a SBP shift kit on a titan 4 stroke and is aw sum, almost a dirt bike, it lets the engine run in its torque curve. But SBP jackshafr mount could also run a left side chain to back wheel wiith the 4 stroke set up.
 

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Aaah, makes sense Nunya. That sounds absolutely perfect!

@NEAT TIMES- if im using the 2 stroke motors, the chain is on the left side right? You mention running a chain on the left side to the rear wheel, but wouldn't using the jackshaft make it so tht is not needed?




Edit: I think it just made sense! the shifter kit and the jackshaft are not totally different things! And the shift kit is not something that goes on the rear wheel but rather replaces the current crank system basically. Which leaves just one question really, the jackshaft drives the bike chain.. so does it make the pedals spin too? I assume it is designed so that, that does not happen.
 
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Am not sure what you are try to accomplish. When you say 2 stroke motor, what style. A happy time/china girl or a pocket bike motor or a cag motor.

If it is a ht/cg they have gear reduction built into the motor, then the jackshaft is for the shift kit only

A jack shaft takes the place of a tranny when there is no gear reduction built into the engine.

Does your motor have the clutch shoes built into the side of the motor?

Ron
 

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Just because you have a jackshaft doesn't mean you have a shifter kit. But if you have SBP's shifter kit then you do have a jackshaft. The jackshaft is the rod looking thingy that the bearings and gears attach to.

Yes SBP's shift kit drives the front chain ring. It has what is known as a front free-wheel system. This allows the motor to drive the bicycle chain while the pedals are stationary. This also means that instead of pedaling up some speed and popping the clutch to bump start the motor, you actually have to pedal the bike to turn the motor over and start it.

I hope this helps and please feel free to ask any questions that you have, most folks 'round here don't mind and are happy to help.
 
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@neat times- I'm using the china girl motor. So I guess I only need the jackshaft for the rear disc brakes and the use of the shift kit.

@nunya- alright that makes sense. If I got it I would get sbp deluxe thing to make sure I have everything. I do still have a question then though about the "front wheel system". I'm looking to have the motor be as independent from the pedals as possible. By that I mean being able to pedal without resistance (like a bike without a motor). When the motor is running, I'm not worried about what is going on with the pedals as long as they aren't spinning as fast as the engine :p

I hope that question makes sense. Maybe a simpler form.. If I pedal the pedals with a jackshaft, is it going to always crank the motor? That wouldn't be to practical when I'm trying to get around campus with the motor off.
 

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Ohh for heaves sakes hehehe ;-}

SickBikes 'Shift Kit' IS a jackshaft and nothing more, I keep trying to get them to change the name to avoid confusion.
It 'highJacks' the motors left side chain drive output and transfers it over to the right side of the bike via a 'Shaft', hence JackShaft.

The kit has 2 parts, the part you bolt to motor which has the rear dual motor mount and the shaft itself, the second part is a complete replacement of your bikes Bottom Bracket, the hole your pedal cranks go through.

That bottom bracket part has a special Freewheel pedal crank and arms and 2 sprockets.
The larger outside sprocket replaces your normal pedal sprocket that goes to your back wheel.
The inner smaller sprocket is driven by the chain and tiny sprocket on the end of the Jackshaft on the right side so you motor power goes to the same sprocket assembly as your pedals are using.

The 'magic part' is the freewheel crank on the right pedal that allows either you, the motor, or both power you back wheel.

Can you use a jackshaft on a single speed coaster brake bike?
Sure, but that would be an expensive waste of time.
The whole point is to use whatever gears the pedal side of the bike has so the motor can use them too!

Yes, derailleur gears work, internal hub shifters work, even NuVinci CVT hubs work, heck I have my 12th new shifter build here in the shop almost done, a Cadillac with a Jackshafted NuVinci that is just as sweet as ever ;-}

ANyway, about the 'gear reduction' stuff that has been said, between the 3 JS ratio changes it works out to be about the same for a JS to just a coaster bike with an 18 tooth sprocket as a standard kit direct drive with a 44T on the rear wheel, it is the underdrive and overdrive of your rear wheels system that makes the final ratio by gear selection at the time.

I hope that clears it up for you but I leave you with one important note...

If this is your first build and you are not a master mechanic with 2-stroke motor and bicycle skills I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU BUILD A STANDARD KIT FIRST!
This is not child's play, we are talking exacting complex mechanical parts transferring a huge amount of power on kit parts you need to assemble part by part yourself, and they don't go together like perfect lego blocks, nor do they stay that way if you don't do it perfect the first time.

Just a tip so you don't end up with a bike you finally get running only to have your drive train constantly fail.
 

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Rocky ask,
I'm looking to have the motor be as independent from the pedals as possible. By that I mean being able to pedal without resistance (like a bike without a motor). When the motor is running, I'm not worried about what is going on with the pedals as long as they aren't spinning as fast as the engine :p

I hope that question makes sense. Maybe a simpler form.. If I pedal the pedals with a jackshaft, is it going to always crank the motor? That wouldn't be to practical when I'm trying to get around campus with the motor off.
So I guess this clears that up for him, yes?
The 'magic part' is the freewheel crank on the right pedal that allows either you, the motor, or both power you back wheel.
 

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Excellent! It's all clear now :D Thank you for all the clarification!
The reason I can't use a standard kit is because they say that you can't use it with a 66cc motor or angled head. Both of which my motor does. But the shift kit is probably something I'll try doing when it's warmer and have become comfortable working on the motor and accompanying kit parts.
 

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How hard is it to understand a jack shaft and a shifter kit?installing one,now that looks hard.and starting your motor looks like it might be kinda hard also which is why I still have not gotten one
 

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The reason I can't use a standard kit is because they say that you can't use it with a 66cc motor or angled head.
Who is THEY?
They may be talking about using the 'Basic' JS kit, I would tend to agree with that, the freewheel is light duty and won't take much, I don't know as I have always used the HD kit on every build.
The only real difference in the kits is the HD freewheel, that sucker is $65 more than the light duty one and the big difference in the kit price.
But the slant head thing? That makes no sense at all.

I have been running this 66cc slant head putting out over 3.5 HP to a NuVinci hub via HD JS for over 500 Miles now and built 1/2 a dozen other 66cc JSed bikes and just ordered another kit this morning for yet another 66cc build.



If I pedal the pedals with a jackshaft, is it going to always crank the motor? That wouldn't be to practical when I'm trying to get around campus with the motor off.
Yes, the pedals turn the motor directly the same as the rear wheel does on a direct drive, in both cases you just lock the clutch in to pedal without the motor.

Starting a JS'ed bike is different from a direct bike however.
With a direct drive bike you pedal up to speed and when you drop the clutch you have the bike momentum to help you start the motor.

JSed bikes all have freewheel back wheels so you get no bike momentum, in fact you can roll your bike forward with the clutch out all you want.
To start your bike you have to use the pedals much like a motorcycle kickstart.
 
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Mmmmm jackshafts. It makes sense now though, definately much clearer.

@KCvale- The reason I said 66cc and slant head is because that is what SBP write about in their product description for the standard shift kit. As for starting it, I did not know that. But that's not a problem, it explains why some people were starting it that way in some videos I saw. If anything I'm going to try and make a kick start when I do this in the spring time or summer. I have a few idea's, the simple of which would need a heavy duty pull starter though.. It would work though.

I can't wait to get one! (shift kit)

Edit: this is what SBP says: "NOTE: This kit is not designed to work with the slant plug head engines. It is for 2 stroke engines with standard compression ratio straight plug head and is supplied with a standard front freewheel. If you have a slant head or raised compression engine, or a 66+cc engine you must use our HD kits or HD freewheel. "



It is quite odd isn't it.. Maybe they just assume that something using slant will is going to have more power than the light duty can handle. Then there's the debate about if slant heads are really any better than straight but let's not get into that :p


btw, can I ask where you get your kits from?
 
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I can't make up my mind if I want a jackshaft. I know all the benefits of it but I'm still kinda concerned, going from a 415 chain to a 3/32 chain bicycle chain. Either way you have a nice bike.