China Girl Motorized Bicyle Build

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biknut

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This is what I'm up to now.

I got a new crank assembly from gas bike. It seems like the flywheels are splayed apart a little bit. In other words it's probably not true. I'm guessing the balance isn't any better. It's also about 1/8" narrowed than the stock crank, but I don't think that will be a problem for some reason. It has one piece flywheels. The stock crank has bolt on fly weights.

I've also just ordered another crank assemble from BGF. I'm going to compare 2 or 3 different cranks from different suppliers before I decide what to do with them.

God bless those little Chinese critters that made this crank assembly for $18.
 

nightcruiser

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Would be nice if someone was selling pre-balanced cranks... I am wondering if the piston, arm and other various parts weight is consistent enough to calculate on one and use that calculation to balance several crankshafts, or will there be enough difference in weight to require all the exact parts be used when making the measurements?
 

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Re: China Girl Motor Build

This is what I'm up to now.

I got a new crank assembly from gas bike. It seems like the flywheels are splayed apart a little bit. In other words it's probably not true. I'm guessing the balance isn't any better. It's also about 1/8" narrowed than the stock crank, but I don't think that will be a problem for some reason. It has one piece flywheels. The stock crank has bolt on fly weights.

I've also just ordered another crank assemble from BGF. I'm going to compare 2 or 3 different cranks from different suppliers before I decide what to do with them.

God bless those little Chinese critters that made this crank assembly for $18.
It's like Doritos chips They make more! ;)
 

GearNut

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Would be nice if someone was selling pre-balanced cranks... I am wondering if the piston, arm and other various parts weight is consistent enough to calculate on one and use that calculation to balance several crankshafts, or will there be enough difference in weight to require all the exact parts be used when making the measurements?
I most applications there is enough of a difference in weight between assemblies that each one needs to be custom balanced.
 

nightcruiser

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I most applications there is enough of a difference in weight between assemblies that each one needs to be custom balanced.
so a balanced set would have to include piston, rings, rod, bearing, clips, crankshaft, flywheel, all the parts connected to the crankshaft?
 

biknut

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I found this information about china girl crank balancing on another forum. I think this is how to static balance the crank. I'm not sure it's 100% accurate, but maybe someone here can look it over with me.

"1) Take the complete weight of the connecting rod big end and the big end bearing - 40.3 grams + 7.1 grams = 47.4 grams
If your engine has thrust washers, add the thrust washer weight to "step 1"

2) Take the complete weight of the connecting rod small end and the total weight of the piston and rings, piston pin, small end bearing and clips - totals 105.5 grams

3) Multiply the figure 105.5, by your desired balance factor. For arguements sake, i'll use a common balance factor figure of 55% > 105.5 x 0.55 = 58.025

4) Add the total weight of "step 1" to the balance factor figure of "step 3" - 47.4 + 58.025 = 105.425

The required bob weight to balance the crankshaft to a balance factor of 55% will be 105.4 grams

5) Assemble the crankshaft by lightly pressing the two halves and crankshaft pin in place, only so it will hold together and you can true the crankshaft on a set of V-blocks for the balancing proceedure.

6) Place the trued crankshaft ends or shafts on parallel knife edged surfaces or use two reasonably sized drill bits that do not have any scratches or deep grooves - you want a perfectly smooth and horizontal surface for the crankshaft to be able to rotate on.

7) Make some sort of hook like device to hang off the crankshaft pin that weighs exactly the same as the figure you've calculated in "step 4"

8) You want to be able to rotate the crankshaft in any position without the crankpin falling downwards.
Generally it seems to be accepted that a slightly heavy counterweight is desirable (the side opposite the crankpin).
If the crankpin falls downwards, you can either remove metal from the crankpin end, or add heavy metal (like brass or malory metal) to the counterweight end, till you get the crankshaft to balance.

9) Once the crankshaft has been balanced, take it apart and install the big end bearing and connecting rod (thrust washers also if the crankshaft used them) and press the crankshaft together and true the crankshaft.

10) Take your crankshaft and put it in a plastic bag and place it it the freezer. After about an hour, take your crankshaft bearings (for the left and right side shafts) and remove the dust seals if they are installed.
Now drop the bearings into a pan filled with hot oil.
The bearings will expand in the oil and the crankshaft will shrink ever so slightly.
Take the crankshaft out of the freezer and prop it up so the shafts are vertical.
With a pair of smooth faced plyers, take a heated bearing out of the oil and carefully drop it on the shaft, don't delay, do the other side as well.
The bearing should just drop straight on, no pressing or force should be needed.
Make sure you have pressed the bearings into contact with the face of the crankshaft before the bearings cool down and the crankshaft heats up.
If they are not seated squarely on the shaft after everything has equalised in temperature, you will have no hope of bashing them flat and straight - you'll only damage the shaft and the bearings.

11) Before assembling the crankshaft in the case halves, along with the clutch shaft, place the assembled crankshaft with it's crankshaft bearings in the freezer and use heat to expand the cases allowing for an easy fit of the bearings into their respective recievers.
Assembly should take place without too much force being applied on the crankshaft.
If you need heaps of pressure to get the case halves to close up, you'll press the crankshaft out of "true" and the engine will vibrate, regardless that it has been balanced.

12) It's best to install the crankshaft seals after the cases are clamped together."
 

biknut

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Later in the same thread some points this out.

"solution to engine balancing is correct in theory, but the maths is incorrect.The total weight for the reciprocating components is 137.8 not 105.5 as stated.Pic #7 piston,rings, pin,clips,s/e bearing weighing 105.5. The last pic shows the conrod small end weight as 32.3. These two weights must be added together.105.5+32.3=137.8 then multiplied by the balance factor,55% in this case.137.8 x 55%=75.79. this weight is then added to the rotating weight of 47.4(conrod bigend & big end bearing).75.79+47.4=123.19g this is the correct bob-weight for 55% over balance using the weights shown in the pics. "
 

biknut

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I'm thinking both of them are forgeting about the weight of the crank pin.
 

biknut

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I'm thinking both of them are forgeting about the weight of the crank pin.
Wait I'm wrong. The crank pin is rotating weight, but they were only interested in recipicating weight.
 

biknut

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I get 107 grams for a piston assembly with wrist pin, se bearing, and clips.

I have 38g for the small end of a rod that's the only one I have not on a crank.

107 +38 = 145g recipicating weight


Other weights of interest

Older style crank assy/w bolt on fly weights 1579g

Newer style crank assy/w one piece flywheels 1394g
 

biknut

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What's the word on the stuff you sent to Powroll?

Erich
This is the lastest update. So far one step at a time. I took my crap crankshaft to a machine shop to see about getting a few custom crankshafts made.

I'm not exactally sure how the balancing will need to be done. Most shops that do a dynamic balance want a crankshaft with no rod on it. since the machine shop isn't that far yet I'm not sure what they're planning.

My thought is we make up one crank without a rod, and have it balanced. Then maybe do a static balance on the rest using a the first crank as a guide.

These guys might have a different idea though. Maybe I check on it tomorrow and see how they're doing.

I'm open to anyones ideas btw.
 

nightcruiser

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I am very much looking forward to what you come up with for a better/balanced crankshaft, although these china girl cranks are cheap ($18) the problem is they are cheap! LOL They seem to be a major weak link in these motors, the luck of getting a good crank is probably why some motors run better than others. I know my motor could run smoother if it had a more balanced crankshaft....
Let us know when you hear back, we are eagerly waiting info...
 

biknut

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, although these china girl cranks are cheap ($18) the problem is they are cheap! LOL They seem to be a major weak link in these motors,
I couldn't have said it better myself.

If everything goes according to plan, the crank I end up with will have one piece flywheels, like the new style cranks, but the dimensions will match the original crank. For extra strength I want a solid crank pin instead of the hollow stock one.

So far I have no real idea about the cost. I do know that the first one is the most expensive.
 

nightcruiser

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I'd pay 80+$ for a custom crank.

Mmm, actually, I'd pay $100 for a custom crank with a 43MM stroke. So I can run Puch cylinders on a china bottom end.
shhhhhh......
Lets let Biknut determine a price before we start throwing out numbers!
 

GearNut

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I read in a thread somewhere that Bairdco has a Wiseco piston in one of his builds. As far as I know it is in an HT cylinder.
Perhaps he will see this thread and can give us more info?