What do you think about this kind of motor?

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Nashville Kat

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/24V350W-DC-brush-gear-motor-MY1016Z3-/152613846770?

I'm just wondering about it= I probably won't be doing anything with it- I have hub motors.
I'm thinking though it would be good mounted inside the frame like a China Girl 2 cycle.
I believe by the specs in the blueprint that the lower mounting bracket is drilled to exactly fit the motor clamps of a China Girl-so strapping it to an older cruiser or diamond touring frame would be easy- running another chain down the left side. I queried the vendor who said the polarity can be reversed- so my main question is- How much peddling resistance do you think it has?

You could set it up with a rag joint and thinner sprocket- it has a sprock for 410 one speed bike chain, but would there be much pedal resistance?

What it truly needs is a hub and left threaded free wheel, to spin freely and only kick in the motor when it's engaged. I'm also unfamiliar with the speed and power of such a set-up and it might take experimentation to find the right size sprock on the back. I know they sell kits with side mounting brackets for this kind of thing, but I detest hanging weight off center. Probably put the battery/batteries on a rear rack, but a bottle might also be possible under a top tube.

The big advantage is that it's still 24 volts and so you could use a couple of scooter batteries at about 8-10 pounds for both, or even a 24v lithium ion is still much cheaper than higher voltage. Probably weigh much less than a China Girl- (no tank no exhaust, smaller motor lighter chain) and while it wouldn't perform like one- I'm getting old at 63, and no motor noise or fumes would be great too.

I have NO experience at this yet- I'm just steps away from having a 36 volt hub setup on the road, but stalled out , and have a lot to do the rest of summer. Yet I got an older Black and Decker 24 volt cordless mower early this summer for $10 and though I haven't replaced the batteries yet, I tested it with two car batts wired in series, and was amazed that the little 24 v motor really screamed. Seems like it could do a lot on a light bike. I only need 15 -20 mph and about six miles of charge to get me where I most go on the china girl builds. 8-9 pounds of lead acid scooter batteries is under $50 compared to 4 lbs litium ion 36 volts at $200 or more

So basically - do you think it has much pedal resistance if I just used a rag sprocket that rolled continually, or would that damage the motor?

Here's another one at 250 watts- thinner lighter than the one up above.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/24V250W-DC-...a1aebe3&pid=100005&rk=5&rkt=6&sd=152613846770

This one is 102 millimeters wide - not counting shaft and sprock and about 5 pounds in weight.
I think most cranks would clear but not sure of the other which is wider and heavier.
 
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Nashville Kat

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Aw frick! I've looked at these motors on ebay for months and as soon as I post them here- the listing ends- All that's left now are motors without the china girl compatible mount! I smell Corporate Rat.
 
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Aw frick! I've looked at these motors on ebay for months and as soon as I post them here- the listing ends- All that's left now are motors without the china girl compatible mount! I smell Corporate Rat.
I could fabricate the china girl mount. Where do you buy electric bike stuff. The controller, batteries, etc. What kind of be range and speed do electric bikes get.
 

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The back mount - being a separate thing already- might be able to be used- the other range of adapters for the front may leave some good possibility, but I haven't explored this further yet.

I was just looking at the ones with the bottom plate and the china girl-wide drlling- the plates are FLAT- I'm not sure if just the bottom hardware could hold them on a round frame tube without some kind of plate adapter-

BUTT, they've begun to sell a "Bafang mid drive" model- using this kind of motor- perhaps I'll search the link at some time other than 6 32 am-

and THAT uses a large WORM CLAMP around the 4 inch main body then clamped to another smaller worm clamp around the bicycle down tube to hold the round plateless motor on- I wonder of the strength but apparently it works-

As for your last comment waynesdata, about range and speed- that's sorta what I came here to wonder. What kind of speed do these deliver? I'm hoping to put SOMETHING together using only 24 so I can test lead acid batteries in series for under $100 and not have to go $200-300 for ever voltage growing Li-po bottles and pillars.

I may eventually build a 26 inch mid frame- china girl style mount- just to see what it becomes, and use two 12 volt scooter batts on a back rack- the range would be limited by the size of those, but what of the speed? Do we really NEED the extra "gear reduction"- they always sell the others with a sprocket for a #25 frame- and if you try to buy a 24 volt wheel these days- it's over twice as much- they are trying to kill this with marketing and BS is my own fear.

I'm 64 and no longer wanting a lot of speed- my 700c does about 20 and the one currently building at 250 instead of 500 I'm still wondering- 15 to 18 I suppose- yet I can still pedal assist. If I can have 13 and get to the store with cheap scooter batteries- this might have some worth to me- I can't afford to fall off any more, so I might forsake the 700 wheels and build something lower to the ground. They all will probably have fair resell value. Gas won't be getting any cheaper and probably spike soon.
 
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