Mill/Lathe

[Dan]

Ahh cool. Is really mind boggling, the possibilities.



Reading this thread over and over. Really great guys and thank you again.

Ain't new to some thing folks fun?

 

[Dan]

Deleted questions above. They were already answered.

Just a lot to absorb but am getting there. Learning to look up every thing mentioned.

 

[Dan]

Found this on clist. Any thing here you would suggest? Still paying off mill lathe so bargain hunting for tools and parts. (deleted most of the non-mill/lathe stuff. there was a bunch)

"List of tools, miscellaneous, for sale - $10 (Suffield, Ct)

Date: 2011-06-27, 9:32AM EDT


I can send pictures and description of any item listed.

Mechanic's Tool Box w/Tray, old. 15.00

24" Whole House Ventilator Fan, 95.00

Heidenhain, Digitaler MeBtaster, MT 12 or MT60. 200.00

Hardinge Threading Attachment Model CT, 150.00

Vactra #2 Way Lub Oil, 5 Gallon Pail. 25.00

Copper Wire 500', #10-19 Strand Black THHN/THWN-2/MTW. Machine tool Wire. 70.00

Wanted M1 Ammo for Garand and Carbine, and Mags for M1 Carbine

Dish Satelitte dish, 2 LNB and satelitte Dish, 15.00

Directv dish,dual lan, 30.00

104 New Boxes and padded envelopes/mailers, 25.00

Vintage 1966 to 1973 BMW Tail Light Set for 1600 2002 80.00

8 pair Wigwam 40 Degrees Below, 2 Pair Great Feet Socks 860-668-7266
10 Pair 50.00

Solid carbide Boring Bars 75.00 to 150.00

45W John Deere Front End Loader 300.00

1,500-Watt Portable Forced-Air Heater 20.00

Vintage, Esso Handy Oil, 4oz. Tin. 15.00

King of Fans 20" High Velocity Floor Fan. 18.00

3/8" Cemented Carbide and HSS Tool Bits for Lathes, ..50 to 1.00

Wanted: Farm Tractor Tire 11.2/10-34,

321 Stainless Steel Wire, Size .032, 1LB. Spool, Fishing, 15.00/spool

For Dual Oil Tank, Connecting Pipes, 2 1/2" Standard Filler Pipes 20.00

Car or Truck Lube Ramps 20.00

3 Pump Jacks $100.

6- 18"x24", Metal Moving Dollys, Heavy Duty, 4 Whee $10. ea. 6 for $50.00

2, 6" C Clamps, Wilton & Armstrong, USA Made $30.

Allied Machine 7/16 to 1/2" Spade Drill 3/4" Shank, Coolant Feed, and Inserts, 50.00

Kennametal Solid Carbide, Coolant Thru, SE- Drill, Type C, .205 to .532" 35.00 to 50.00

New, 36" x 40" x 4 1/2" Industrial Heat Treatment Tray, Grate, Inconel 600

Royal or Nsk 5MT Live Center 30.00 and 25.00

Assorted Hardinge Collets, Emergency, Expanding, 3.00 to 15.00

Hardinge 3" Step Chuck Closer and Step Chuck 80.00

Starrett Machinist 7" Universal Bevel Protractor, and 2 Others 30.00

2 Carbon Dioxide CO2 Hand Fire Extinguishers, 4Lb 45.00

Vintage Detecto 100 lb. Hanging Scale from Estate 20.00

14" Solid Brass 2 Blade Boat Propeller for Decorating Or Boat 35.00

New KENNAMETAL 1/2" Straight Shank Dbl Angle Collet DA300 Chuck 40.00 each 3/100.00

Terk TV42 Power Antenna, for Local Stations, Used 15.00

Surface Roughness Tester, Profilometer 275.00

Hardinge HDB5 Bushings, Popular Sizes,3/8,1/2", 15.00 ea

Par Aide Deluxe Twin Golf Ball Washer, Old, 125.00

Framed Picture of P&W JT9D Engine, 33"x21" 15.00

Fanuc, A87L-0001-0015 08F, General Numermics Memory Board 25.00

1984 Honda 13" Rim 15.00

GNT 2910 Serial Paper Reader, 250.00

Wanted: 45 LC Ammunition

Lathe steady rest 65.00

5 Drawer Antique Oak Bureau 100.00

Hardinge 3/8" Carbide Tool Holders 20.00 to 35.00

Robbins Eng. 6 1/2" x 6 1/2" Univ-Angle Sine Plate 150.00

Mitutoyo No.511 Series, 2.4"-6" & .7"-1.4" dial bore gages 125.

MT4, Lathe, Large Tap Holder, Ziegler Tool Co 100.00

2 New Kennametal Kendex Cartridges, KU 3040 C, KU 3160 C, $25. Each

Brown & Sharpe outside Micrometers, 4-5, 5-6, 6-7", $20 Each

Hardinge 5/8" or 9/16" 5C Hex Collet 15. each

Quick Change Tap Holders, Collets, Extensions, Bilz, Kennametal, Carboloy 15.00 to 50.00

Quick-Check Portable Hardness Tester, For Metal 80.00

10 new Keo #8 center drills 50.00

90 degree vernon devises counter sink 2mt 50.00

new Parlec back spot facing tool 100.00

new universal toolflex floating holder 80.00

Kennametal / Erickson 1" Shank T&C Collet Tap Chuck 80.00

11 Assorted Thread Go/Nogo Plug Gages, and many more 120.00 or 15.00 each

New, 5/8" Circle Machine Indexable Boring Bar. Model B-625-7N 45.00

4 Torque wrenches 20.00 to 55.00

Flaring tool and 45 degree 25.00

Emerson electronic air cleaner 35.00

18 buffing polishing 6,8,10" wheels. 125.00 9.00 each

Ralmike's trepanning tool 100.00

Jacobs#30 drill chuck MT2 shank

MT 5,4,3,2, reducers adapters 12.00

Assorted Cutoff inserts Iscar 3.00

6" independent 4 jaw chuck 45.00

20 lbs assorted hex head screws 15.00

2 Comptor bore gages 35.00

1 1/4" Top notch grooving tool 25.00

6 1.220" New Niagara hog mills 120.00

Spot cleaning gun 35.

Kennametal collet chuck extensions 35.00

14 assorted indexable end mills 50.00 each

18 Erickson "F" series tap collets 50.00

Assorted Hardinge toolholders

Lathe dogs 25.00 to 50.00

Kennametal 3/4" Right Hand, Solid Carbide Boring bar 75.00, Have other sizes

Stanley #45 Plane 55.00

1" carbide spotting drill 35.00

12"-13" Blade mics 75.00

13"-14" OD Mics 50.00

14"-15" OD mics 50.

13"-14' Inside mics 40.00

.011 to 1" pin set Dundick 800.00

60 plus go/no go pins in handles 100.00

Albrecht 5/8" keyless chuck 100.

Starrett surface gage #56 65.00

Federal Testmaster Indicator 20.00

Precision Grinding indexer spinner 75.00

Luma demagnetizer 40.00

3 bench test air gages 15.00

Sealtest wood box 15.00

4 Metric hard jaws for 12" chuck 3MM serration's 150.

0-1" Inner Groove mics IMP 35.00

Mitutoyo 2-3" outside mics 50.00

Mitutoyo 0-1" digital outside Mics 50.00

Mitutoyo 0-1" point mics 100.00

VME dial thickness gage 25.00

0-1" Federal Indicating mics 100.00

Mitutoyo 0-1" Uni-mics 75.00

3 Flute RTC 1.220 Indexable end mill 50.00

Mitutoyo .4 - 1.200 ID dial caliper 100.

1" and 2" Starrett and brown /Sharpe Thread mics 45. each

20LB BC Fire extinguisher 20.

Par Aide dual Ball Washer 125.00

End mills 1.00 to 10.00

Aercology smoke eater 125.

Clarke & Co. olive green antique water bottle 75.

Bunnell NC tape winder 25.

Frabill Minnow Can 15.00

Federal 30" swing gage w/ blocks 200.00

Hardinge 5C Collets $2 to $5.00

Fairbanks Digital scale 15.00

Carbide HSS, Cobalt End Mills

14" Nikon optical comparator 1250.

27" aluminum Fixture/face plate 200.00

Starrett 711 last word indicator 30.00

Golf balls 10 cent each 10.00 a bag of 100

Cargo bars 20.00

Write Austin air separator 15.

Silver bouillon

Bridgeport R8 Collets 1.75

2 Hardinge Tape lathes 1150.


****Not listed and not priced, I have end mills, indexable tool holders, inserts, cut off tools, hog mills, air chucks,
small drills, metric taps, reamers, 3/8 tool bits, saw blade welder, pi tapes, diamond grinding wheels,
vacuum pumps, small carbide coolant drills, carbide boring bars, indexable threading tool systems, and more."

 

[42blue15]

Found this on clist. Any thing here you would suggest? Still paying off mill lathe so bargain hunting for tools and parts. (deleted most of the non-mill/lathe stuff. there was a bunch) ...

IMO,,, not other than the items I mentioned before.

Some things to keep in mind:

1) most accessories for full-size machines won't fit onto what you've got at all, there's simply not enough room. The lathe tailstock accessories he lists are either MT4 or MT5, and you'd need an MT2. The "small" size of tool bits for a full-size lathe have shanks that are3/4-inch square, and your machine will only hold 1/2-inch-square, or maybe even only 3/8".

2) the mill motor you have will be working hard to take light cuts with a 1/2" mill bit in plain steel, so you won't benefit much from any mill bits larger than that. ..If he had some under-1/2-inch mill bits they might be worth looking at, but check online first to see what new ones would cost. ...When you need to make larger holes you will need to use either a rotary table or a boring head (~$70 at littlemachineshop).

3) a lot of the measuring tools listed are redundant, with only a limited range. You'll be a lot happier with one 8-inch caliper that you use for most stuff than with eight different-sized test calipers with a one-inch-range each. Maybe get a second one to confirm the first, but two is all you need. As the second caliper, a vernier (no dial) caliper is more reliable, costs a bit less and most do precision measuring in English & metric as well.

 

[Dan]

Awesome 42, thank you again. I know I said in a PM but you really did me great kindness by taking all this time and typing out all you have. I have her about paid off, (happy, happy time!)

Is so dang confusing learning from vids and reading. Think I owe ya beer or 12.

Next time I am in ST Louis, Ya gotta let me take you out for dinner or a wild bar hop night. (I usdt'a know the good spots) But been yrs.

 

[ducedave]

Re:

Mill/Lathe I'M GREEN WITH JEALOUSY- I have a coal fired forge and hope to learn casting- can you say reeded big bore steal lined cylinder kit? I guess I'll need a machinist to sleeve the cylinder and deck the top and bottem WELL YOU WIN!

 

[Dan]

Dave, that is my next hope! Casting.

Man, MBs. brings ya to some great cross roads!

 

[ducedave]

Dave, that is my next hope! Casting.

Man, MBs. brings ya to some great cross roads!

It's the racing bug more power faster God help me!- I can't buy all the neat stuff but I hope I can make it my self-they said reeds wouldn't work but I figured it out and they work good I tried to build an expansion chamber didn't work found a moped expansion chamber that will work 1/3 the price if I had real machine tools I would revers engineer the HT in to a scary little beast-they just need more Japanese parts retro fitted in them by sick-twisted men with to much time and no money FIRE AND SAND ARE CHEAP! tooling isn't

 

[8-9-duck]

this is indeed a great thd.
when drilling a hole to close dimensions,if you drill it.01/.02 undersize then use correct size. should be close .002/.004 over.
old endmills make excellent boring bars. needs to be on center with the cutting corner on center. careful not to drag the flute in the bore. our ancient bridgeport had table shake real bad. i started using 3 flute endmills and it helped alot.
on the 4jaw chuck. permanentaly mark 2 of the jaws that are 90' apart. when you remove a part,loosen these two. when you put it back tighten these two. mark your part also for 2 jaws.

 

[42blue15]

Every time I make steel stuff on my mill for a while and then need to make an aluminum part, I am always amazed at how much easier and nicer the aluminum cuts. With a sharp tool bit you can easily get a near-mirror-finish on a piece of aluminum in one pass and cutting with no lube; most steels won't cut nearly as nicely even with lube. They come out smooth, but don't look nearly the same.

...Of course sometimes you aren't free to choose, and other factors can basically require steel--but if you can use aluminum it is worth considering it for that reason alone.

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With the lathe, it doesn't seem to make much difference if I'm cutting aluminum or steel for most kinds of operations.

 

[Dan]

Really like "that polished look"

Tools should be here any day now! Really can't wait to start making stuff.

Am sitting here next to the thing and she is just screaming at me to get started, lol.

 

[DonParker]

I currently have a 7x10 , 9x20 and a mill drill and I love all
of them. I just made some custom hand grips for my bike
and a headlamp holding clamp as well ( the thieves will need
some allen wrenches to steal my light now) . Of course you'll
buy a lot of tools along the way but the nice thing about
these machines is that you can always make you're own
tools if you don't have them. I think you'll never regret
buying them. I know I haven't.

Don

 

[Dan]

Very cool to read Don, thank you.

Really is pretty exciting, all the possibilities. I am spending hrs every day reading up on em and re-reading this thread. New language and steep learning curve fer the likes of me, lol.

Joined another forum on machining, (I am not cheating on you guys, it is a fling, lol) but man, they have been great. Is kinda funny being a brandy new, newbie. I forgot how intimidating that can be. But like our host, they have been nothing but kind and no one has called me an idiot yet. Although I am sure some have thought it, lol.

 

[DonParker]

If you would like to see some pretty cool machining jobs
and a lot of tips try Home Model Engine Machinist. I'm not
a member there but lurk a lot. They have some really good
tips and a lot of upgrades for machines. They are really
helpful.

 

[42blue15]

Really like "that polished look" ...

There is also a type of steel called "free-machining steel" that is made specially to cut easily and cleanly. It costs more money than plain 4130 tho', and you may have to mail-order it. $$$ Free machining steel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Most free-machining steel isn't weldable though,,,, which may another concern. 4130 steel is the best all-around type (brazes, welds and machines fairly easily).

The local place I got to sells new material and scrap. Mainly I buy 4130 steel and 6061 aluminum as those are the best all-around types, for thicker pieces. Mild steel and 5052 aluminum are also good for thick pieces, if that's all they have or it's cheaper.

If you're buying scrap or drop steel to do machining on, just tell the guy that you don't want anything extra-hard, like tooling plate. Also any round solid shafts with a keyway already cut, are probably already hardened as well. ...You can cut that material if you need to, but you will need carbide tools, you'll need use coolant while cutting, and it's still gonna take a looooong time. IMO not worth the hassle unless you need to use it.

 

[Dan]

Cool Blue. Good to know.

Come to find out the tools I ordered will not be here until next Tuesday. Was kinda bummed but like my first MB kit, the wait was good and it allows time to get information like you've posted. Just dawned on me, I had been considering buying a pre-keyed shaft.
Ya mighta pushed me out of a minor bullets path again.

Been looking all over and can't find the answer. (dumb question alert) The mill does not seem to come down low enough to cut a keyway. I have yet to put an endmill in so might be worrying fer nothing. But what would some thing be called that could be locked on the work bench vise? I sent 2 pics from my phone and will post.

Sitting here looking at it, gonna be close either way. Might just need an inch or 2 if that.


Also thinking I might cut one (hehe, he said cut one) in plastic just to check my math (which is really suspect) and see if it fits and to ease into learning the machine. Dunno, was watching a how2 vid and they used plastic to demonstrate.

Again, thanks to you guys, I am taking the safety issues of this machine very seriously. Which is a nice break from my usual approach to life, snicker.


Well this is fun and comforting but my machine is no longer posted on the HF web page. So either I am one of the few who purchased it or they know some thing I don't.

Wanted to use their pic to show what I am asking. Cell phone pics are still not here.

My best buddy is legally blind and sticks his face rite up to stuff he wants to see. But one day I walk in to the kitchen and he is bent over and has his face almost against the glass of the microwave screaming; "Hurry up, I haven't got all minute!" Was rolling with laughter and always comes to mind when I do not get what I want the nano second I want it.

 

[Dan]

If you would like to see some pretty cool machining jobs
and a lot of tips try Home Model Engine Machinist. I'm not
a member there but lurk a lot. They have some really good
tips and a lot of upgrades for machines. They are really
helpful.

Home Model Engine Machinist - Index

Wow Don! Some amazing stuff! Did you see the little steam engine (I think) No bigger then the penny next to it!!!

That is uber cool and thank you for posting.

 

[Dan]

That pic;

 

[DonParker]

Yep, they have a monthly project winner, that thing is tiny.
If you look around there's a guy in there that made and designed
a v twin, I think I want one for my bike lol. He also made a
scale 302 Ford, if you lookup miniature 302 on youtube he has
it running.Very cool. He's building the tranny for it now , it's a
toploader I think.

 

[Dan]

Don, it really does have my lil brain reeling. The truly endless possibilities. I am one of those guys who can't pick up a tool or look at some thing and not wonder. LOL! and now gonna try and make that stuff and find out why and how I was wrong.

But that is what I signed on for. Vast expense and failure coupled with fleeting moments of success.

(lol, dang that sounded bleak. I meant to sign on for nothing but "ra-ra" snork)