I'm confused!

Discussion in 'Motorized Bicycle General Discussion' started by J0sh, Apr 3, 2015.

  1. J0sh

    J0sh New Member

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    Oh no, my parents are in the car when I drive, they don't do anything unless I'm doing something wrong, I don't think I'd want to drive without them there, I'm comfortable with driving but not that comfortable! Haha. Shame my minibike broke a few months ago! It had a nice 4 stroke engine, 98CC too! It could fly, but you always had to lube the chain which really sucked, oh well.
     
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    WAIT, so then i would be able to drive one although having no license if it has no centrifugal clutch??
     
  3. MotorBicycleRacing

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    https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/wcm/c...4063-a819-a5dfc8ff5691/reg230.pdf?MOD=AJPERES

    Link does not have the words "centrifugal clutch" anywhere.
    Can you read? It says "auto transmission"

    Auto transmission means you can't manually change gears.
    what kind of clutch is not specified anywhere.
    A centrifugal clutch or manual clutch on our motors do not change gears
    as in "auto transmission"
    You can use an auto 2 speed or variable CVT like mopeds.

    below where the 4 check boxes are: It says if you don't check
    all then you are not a motorized bike so you have to register as
    a Motorcycle.

    If you are not a motorized bike or a motorcycle then you are just
    illegal like a pit bike or mini bike.

    A bicycle with a motor on it is not just a bicycle in CA.

    I can quote all the links that are not conjecture but I can't be bothered
    to do it again for the umpteenth time.
     
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    MotorBicycleRacing Active Member

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    There you go, get educated on CA mb laws.

    http://www.chp.ca.gov/publications/pdf/chp888.pdf

    Driver's License (12804.9 VC).
    The holder of a valid Class M-1 driver license or valid Class A, B, or C driver’s license with an
    M-1 endorsement may operate any two-wheel motorcycle, any two-wheel motor-driven cycle, and any motorized scooter.

    The holder of a valid Class M-2 driver license or valid Class A, B, or
    C driver’s license with an M-2 endorsement
    may only operate
    any two-wheel motor-driven cycle or any motorized scooter.

    A two-wheel motor-driven cycle includes, but is not limited to, a
    motorized bicycle or moped as specified, or any bicycle with an
    attached motor
    .
     
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  5. KCvale

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    Josh, you should be fine with a 49 HS 142 4-stroke direct drive 4G in CA.
    It'll get you around if you help pedal up hills or gear low.

    You loose some top speed, but gear as low as you can for your comfortable top speed and all the rest of the engines power is in torque to climb hills.

    Laws where I live are pretty lax, but no kid that that can't a pass written driving test for the 'rules of the road' has no business riding anything motorized with traffic anyway.

    All you hurt is yourself, but trust me, until you have some real road experience in real traffic you don't want play with it.

    Every hard hit you take will come back to haunt you when you get older, it's not fun.
     
  6. J0sh

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    Thanks KC! Was the kit i showed you from bikeberry good or should i go for a better more high quality one? I'm fine with not being able to go faster than 20-25 as long as i can get up hills, even if it takes some pedaling too. I've heard that bikeberry uses bad, cheap parts, was going to look at gasbike for kits. Any recommendations?
     
  7. boxcar

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    Auto transmition means centrifugal clutch as does auto shift cvt etc.... In all 50 states.
    Sorry to get your panties in a bunch. Didn't mean to.
    No where in the California statute does it say that IF YOUR BICYCLE IS NOT A MOPED THEN IT'S A MOTORCYCLE........No where.... As has been litigated in California courts.....
     
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    So can I or can I not use one if it doesn't have a centrifugal clutch?
     
  9. MotorBicycleRacing

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    Exactly right, of course you can't register a motorized bike as a DOT regulated motorcycle.
    So if you can't check the 4 boxes with a yes on the mb plate application,
    the only other choice is to reg as a motorcycle.

    But that is your only 2 choices.
    If you can't do either then you are just illegal on the road like a pit bike or mini bike or any other home made contraption with a motor.

    Don't wear panties cause I go commando. I only wear panties on special occasions.......

    The manual clutch single speed China girl is technically illegal in CA but nobody cares because they are only a single speed and there is no mention of manual or centrifugal clutching.
     
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    http://www.chp.ca.gov/publications/pdf/chp888.pdf

    Did you read this ^?
    All the laws are there if you can interpret them?

    Life lesson is to do your own research and don't rely on know
    it alls like me or guys in Oregon with a bad panty jokes.

    Bottom line is if cops in your area don't care and your parents
    say it's OK then wear a full face helmet and have fun. ;)

    PS: Don't buy the 4 stroke kit from the Berry cause the gearbox is junk.
    Get a 4G like KC said.
     
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    Hows this look? 49cc huasheng 142f 4-stroke direct drive 4g kit
    Only problem is its 2.5 and not 2 hp.
     
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    Meant this http://www.bicycle-engines.com/49cc-4G-T-Belt-Drive-Complete-Gas-Powered-Engine-Kit.html
     
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    Print out and read the Motorized Bicycle license plate application.

    The info in the CHP pdf has not been updated.

    The 2 HP law was upgraded to 4 HP on Jan 2015.
    Also they are lying about the 2.5 HP. They make about 2.

    Your link is the best 4 stroke kit from B-E.com

    This code is about the 406 (a) mb license plate which comes with an ID card because it is a one time $21 and not yearly registration like a motorcycle.

     
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    I can still get a license plate for it even if i dont have a license?
     
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    out of about 4 or 5 hundred bikes I've worked on, I saw 2 that had a plate & I'm not sure if it was just the reg plate for a bicycle or a motorized bike plate, or if there's a diff between the two kinds

    most of my customers are illegals, or DUI guys, or out of state students that can't go all the way home to get a lic

    OTOH, I note that a couple years ago there was one cop that hated these things & gave everyone a hard time - that stopped after a while, but not sure why & it was 20 miles from where I am
     
  16. J0sh

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    Are you in cali?
     
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    You must have missed this in your link:

    Then I saw this:

    But then there is this:

    As the 2 stroke version of the motorized bicycle that the PO is referencing
    has no automatic transmission and is not electric, it falls into a gray eria .
    This is one of the reasons that they are tolerated in California.
    I think at the age of 14 or 15 the PO quallifies for a moped licence in California though. Don't quote me on that . But I seem to remember that this is the case.
    The neighbor kid in San Diego rides one ( a moped ) has a plate and as far as I know, is legal... But a quick call to the DMV will solve your dilemma....


    Name calling ? I'll just assume your kidding right...... And won't go there...
     
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    yes, I'm in cali
     
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    You're saying I might be able to get a moped license even though im 15???i Need to go research this ASAP
     
  20. J0sh

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    Woah thats crazy! Although not unexpect as the 3 motorbikes ive seen had no license plates and 2 werent even wearing helmets
     

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