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Enjoy it while you can, Soon they will ban all E bikes except Class 1 and maybe ban them to.

E bikes scare people and actually have accidents with people because their traveling at a higher rate of speed than a normal pedal bicycle

For this reason their starting to be banned from Park trails all over the USA

Once upon a time the M/B could go on trails too, Yes the noise was a problem but mostly they were banned because they travel at a higher rate of speed than a normal pedal bicycle.

CA has already started banning all E bikes on many Beach and Park trails.
Each park in each town, or city in CA. can make their own rules about E Bikes
Many are choosing to ban them on their trails.

A ticket of $100 seems to be the standard fine.

Also Kids with their fancy fast E Bikes were racing and tearing up these trails, scaring the crap outta everyone, So naturally something has to be done to keep the Peace
 
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I noticed an off road electric trail bike in the State CA Off Road MC Park. Was very quiet except for sound of chain moving. I know some electric cars make a sound through a speaker so to alert those pedestrian that one is backing up or approaching or something. Not sure if that would be something added eventually to the bikes or MC on or off road?
 

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Enjoy it while you can, Soon they will ban all E bikes except Class 1 and maybe ban them to.

E bikes scare people and actually have accidents with people because their traveling at a higher rate of speed than a normal pedal bicycle

For this reason their starting to be banned from Park trails all over the USA

Once upon a time the M/B could go on trails too, Yes the noise was a problem but mostly they were banned because they travel at a higher rate of speed than a normal pedal bicycle.

CA has already started banning all E bikes on many Beach and Park trails.
Each park in each town, or city in CA. can make their own rules about E Bikes
Many are choosing to ban them on their trails.

A ticket of $100 seems to be the standard fine.

Also Kids with their fancy fast E Bikes were racing and tearing up these trails, scaring the crap outta everyone, So naturally something has to be done to keep the Peace
I can press one button on my bike, and wa la, it's class 1. I can also just ride it like a class one bike, and no one knows the difference. There's never going to be an out right ban because there's too much money in eBikes. Plus federal law demands that any trail made all, or in part, with federal money MUST allow eBikes. Any locality that tries to ban them will lose in court if there's a challange. The Dallas city council tried to do it once a few years ago, and had to back down when a tour operator threatened to sue the city.

I wouldn't really have a big problem if they did ban eBikes from the trails, because that would force them all into the street, and that would have the effect of promoting faster eBikes. eBikes need to be able to ride at traffic speed on the street to be safe.
 
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I noticed an off road electric trail bike in the State CA Off Road MC Park. Was very quiet except for sound of chain moving. I know some electric cars make a sound through a speaker so to alert those pedestrian that one is backing up or approaching or something. Not sure if that would be something added eventually to the bikes or MC on or off road?
I have a bell for that purpose
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I can press one button on my bike, and wa la, it's class 1. I can also just ride it like a class one bike, and no one knows the difference. There's never going to be an out right ban because there's too much money in eBikes. Plus federal law demands that any trail made all, or in part, with federal money MUST allow eBikes. Any locality that tries to ban them will lose in court if there's a challange. The Dallas city council tried to do it once a few years ago, and had to back down when a tour operator threatened to sue the city.

I wouldn't really have a big problem if they did ban eBikes from the trails, because that would force them all into the street, and that would have the effect of promoting faster eBikes. eBikes need to be able to ride at traffic speed on the street to be safe.
You'll be the first to be surprised when it happens in your area.
Parks, Town's, Cities can make their own rules about E Bikes

Federal law applies to National parks which allow class 1 and class 2 but not class 3
Signs may be posted not allowing E bikes on trails
E Bike laws can change without notice

Champion Trail is a beautifully master planned trail by the city
I hope it stays open forever to E bikes as it allows many to explore the trail completely

I hear their adding more trail, Enjoy
 
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I can press one button on my bike, and wa la, it's class 1. I can also just ride it like a class one bike, and no one knows the difference.
The fact is you have a stealth
It has the capability of going class 3 and more
It's a Stealth they will know the difference.

Assuming there's a entry gate, some ask for a donation and some charge a flat rate for using trails , While some have no park ranger or volunteer at their entry gates

If you promise to keep it in class 1, Their not gonna trust you to keep it class 1
Their no dummies, they know most will crank it up as soon as their outta sight.
 
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The fact is you have a stealth
It has the capability of going class 3 and more
It's a Stealth they will know the difference.

Assuming there's a entry gate, some ask for a donation and some charge a flat rate for using trails , While some have no park ranger or volunteer at their entry gates

If you promise to keep it in class 1, Their not gonna trust you to keep it class 1
Their no dummies, they know most will crank it up as soon as their outta sight.
The first thing to understand is my bike came from the factory limited to 20 mph, and 750w officer, that's the truth. What I might or might not have done to it after I bought it, no one cares, it came legally a class 1. Take a look at the riding enviroment I ride in. This was last Sunday, and I was on this ride with these crazy fools. They do this every week.

 
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The first thing to understand is my bike came from the factory limited to 20 mph, and 750w officer, that's the truth. What I might or might not have done to it after I bought it, no one cares, it came legally a class 1. Take a look at the riding enviroment I ride in. This was last Sunday, and I was on this ride with these crazy fools. They do this every week.

It's all good Brah, have fun,
 

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The first thing to understand is my bike came from the factory limited to 20 mph, and 750w officer, that's the truth. What I might or might not have done to it after I bought it, no one cares, it came legally a class 1. Take a look at the riding enviroment I ride in. This was last Sunday, and I was on this ride with these crazy fools. They do this every week.

People ride mini bikes and dirt bikes everywhere on or off road where I'm at... It's like a big pit and the cops don't bother you unless you fall down ;)
the trail by me has no motor vehicle signs but the mail man uses it so I'm not worried
 
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Interesting facts about how companies get around the laws

What New Generation Whizzer M/B did to their 138cc 4 stroke engine
They figured a way around the law too.
It really has 4.5 HP and will hit 45 mph easily, but they restricted it to only have 1.95 HP and a top speed of 25 mph. So Whizzer dealers could sell it legally in most states like CA. as a M/B
In CA. HP under 149cc with a top speed over 30 mph is a Motor Driven Cycle and have to follow the M/C registration rules.

I registered my Whizzer as a M/B in CA. She has a top speed of 50+mph and I've never been stopped by the law either, Only time I was stoped, the Cops wanted to check out my Ride
The Cops thought it was cool
Whizzer even told buyers and gave instructions of a few easy modifications and how to get more power, In keeping with the M/B tradition Whizzer Motorbikes USA made it happen for all the Whizzer lovers in the USA.
Yeah I follow the laws, I'll show you the paper work 1.95hp and top speed 25mph LOL

Stealth Sold some of their bikes 750w and top speed of 20mph to make sales and follow the laws. too Sure they even offered upgrades to make the bike faster,
That's the way it's done to make sales a follow the law, It's up to the buyer to make modifications

Yeah, I follow the laws too, I'll show you the paper work.
 
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People ride mini bikes and dirt bikes everywhere on or off road where I'm at... It's like a big pit and the cops don't bother you unless you fall down ;)
the trail by me has no motor vehicle signs but the mail man uses it so I'm not worried
That doesn't surprise me at all.
 
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Take a look at the riding enviroment I ride in. This was last Sunday, and I was on this ride with these crazy fools. They do this every week.

Both videos are good evidence of why E bikes are getting banned on trails

Looks like fun though
 
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Interesting facts about how companies get around the laws

What New Generation Whizzer M/B did to their 138cc 4 stroke engine
They figured a way around the law too.
It really has 4.5 HP and will hit 45 mph easily, but they restricted it to only have 1.95 HP and a top speed of 25 mph. So Whizzer dealers could sell it legally in most states like CA. as a M/B
In CA. HP under 149cc with a top speed over 30 mph is a Motor Driven Cycle and have to follow the M/C registration rules.

I registered my Whizzer as a M/B in CA. She has a top speed of 50+mph and I've never been stopped by the law either, Only time I was stoped, the Cops wanted to check out my Ride
The Cops thought it was cool
Whizzer even told buyers and gave instructions of a few easy modifications and how to get more power, In keeping with the M/B tradition Whizzer Motorbikes USA made it happen for all the Whizzer lovers in the USA.
Yeah I follow the laws, I'll show you the paper work 1.95hp nad top speed 25mph LOL

Stealth Sold some of their bikes 750w and top speed of 20mph to make sales and follow the laws. too Sure they even offered upgrades to make the bike faster,
That's the way it's done to make sales a follow the law, It's up to the buyer to make modifications

Yeah, I follow the laws too, I'll show you the paper work.
I got my notorcycle license the day (minute) I turned 15 in 1968 . I'd already been riding with no license for about 2 years. Back in those days a 15 yr old could only ride a motorcycle up to 5 hp. My S90 suposedly had 8 hp. I used to get pulled over a lot, and the cops near the high school knew the law. My loophole was I never carried my license. so the cops didn't know my license was restricted, and wrote me a ticket for no license., When I showedup in court with it, the court clerk would dismiss it. Sufficeto say none of this is new to me.
 
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I got my notorcycle license the day (minute) I turned 15 in 1968 . I'd already been riding with no license for about 2 years. Back in those days a 15 yr old could only ride a motorcycle up to 5 hp. My S90 suposedly had 8 hp. I used to get pulled over a lot, and the cops near the high school knew the law. My loophole was I never carried my license. so the cops didn't know my license was restricted, and wrote me a ticket for no license., When I showedup in court with it, the court clerk would dismiss it. Sufficeto say none of this is new to me.
Kids will be kids

Same here, 1974 I rode a 1970 Kawasaki 100cc 2stroke 14 & 15yrs old
I never had a M/C or D/L at that age and I went in and out of a Military Air Force gate
to school everyday Never got stopped by the civilian cops either
It was a different time back then,

These kids and adults riding on and off side walks not obeying the laws on these fast e Bikes
Basically using the streets thru cities as their playground are gonna ruin E bike freedom for everyone sooner or later
 
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These kids and adults riding on and off side walks not obeying the laws on these fast e Bikes
Basically using the streets thru cities as their playground are gonna ruin E bike freedom for everyone sooner or later
I understand your concerns, but I think they're overblown. 50 years ago my juvenile delinquent riding buddys were breaking the law on our little motorcycles as bad or worse than anyone is now. From my observation these guys are more mild than wild. They actually stop at red lights, and sit there. If a cop tried to pull them over, they'd pull over. No one even lit up a joint. I'm pretty sure everything will work out fine for everybody.
 
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Kids will be kids

Same here, 1974 I rode a 1970 Kawasaki 100cc 2stroke 14 & 15yrs old
I never had a M/C or D/L at that age and I went in and out of a Military Air Force gate
to school everyday Never got stopped by the civilian cops either
It was a different time back then,

These kids and adults riding on and off side walks not obeying the laws on these fast e Bikes
Basically using the streets thru cities as their playground are gonna ruin E bike freedom for everyone sooner or later
California will ban e bikes soon enough :) back in the olden times I had a 72 Kawasaki 100 not a enough power to get banned over... The '82 250 was another story... The cops would show up just starting it...
 

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I understand your concerns, but I think they're overblown. 50 years ago my juvenile delinquent riding buddys were breaking the law on our little motorcycles as bad or worse than anyone is now. From my observation these guys are more mild than wild. They actually stop at red lights, and sit there. If a cop tried to pull them over, they'd pull over. No one even lit up a joint. I'm pretty sure everything will work out fine for everybody.
40 years ago they would try to chase us and we'd looze them down the railroad tracks... Great fun... The one time I got caught from running out of gas someone hit a moose and the game patrol had to let me go to respond to the call... " We've gotten over 100 calls about dirt bikes today from you guys"