Friction perfection

[Echobay]

Perhaps I'm a bit of a motorized bicycle snob, but I have an issue to share.
By the very definition a motorized bicycle is indeed a bicycle with a pedal assist gasoline engine.
To build a single speed (fixie) motorized bike is simular to building a motorized canoe without paddles.
If you can't paddle at the speed of the engine, than than the paddles are unnecessary.
Likewise, If you can't pedal at the speed of your bike engine, the pedals are useless. You have not built a motorized bike, but rather a pitiful mototcycle.
Rohloff Speed Hub or a full range of gears employed.
A true motorized bike with gas engine pedal assist rides at 20mph in 14th gear with resistance on the pedals.
All others are just a laughing matter that destroys/threatens all pure riders futures enjoying the freedom of touring.

 

[Chaz]

Perhaps I'm a bit of a motorized bicycle snob, but I have an issue to share.
By the very definition a motorized bicycle is indeed a bicycle with a pedal assist gasoline engine.
To build a single speed (fixie) motorized bike is simular to building a motorized canoe without paddles.
If you can't paddle at the speed of the engine, than than the paddles are unnecessary.
Likewise, If you can't pedal at the speed of your bike engine, the pedals are useless. You have not built a motorized bike, but rather a pitiful mototcycle.
Rohloff Speed Hub or a full range of gears employed.
A true motorized bike with gas engine pedal assist rides at 20mph in 14th gear with resistance on the pedals.
All others are just a laughing matter that destroys/threatens all pure riders futures enjoying the freedom of touring.

I really don't get where you're coming from. But you are entitled to your own opinion.

 

[Echobay]

I really don't get where you're coming from. But you are entitled to your own opinion.

Until you ride a motoized bike at 20mph in 14th gear with resistance on pedaling (actually increasing the performance of the engine) you won't understand. Besides that, we cannot maintain legal status and compete withwith electric bikes when people build single speed pitiful motorcycles.

 

[Citi-sporter]

@ Echobay. Your assessment of power assisted bicycles is preposterous, and your E-bike analogy is wrong. E-bikes come in all sorts of pedal assist activation, throttle with switchable pedal activation and throttle only controls. As do gas engined bikes come in all sort of displacements, rack mounts, in frame and shifter kitted configurations with many kinds of gearing and setups involving every thing from single speeds to 21 gears.

You can add gear-inches to your crank side gearing to make your assistance effective at 20 mph. My friction drive has a single speed pedal assist that is used to assist from stops and when the engine is climbing grades steeper than 6%. So no, I cannot pedal at 20mph but I certainly can help when the engine is lugged down at 12~14mph. And my bike is legally considered a pedal assisted bicycle under Oregon's motorized bicycle rules.

 

[Echobay]

@ Echobay. Your assessment of power assisted bicycles is preposterous, and your E-bike analogy is wrong. E-bikes come in all sorts of pedal assist activation, throttle with switchable pedal activation and throttle only controls. As do gas engined bikes come in all sort of displacements, rack mounts, in frame and shifter kitted configurations with many kinds of gearing and setups involving every thing from single speeds to 21 gears.

You can add gear-inches to your crank side gearing to make your assistance effective at 20 mph. My friction drive has a single speed pedal assist that is used to assist from stops and when the engine is climbing grades steeper than 6%. So no, I cannot pedal at 20mph but I certainly can help when the engine is lugged down at 12~14mph. And my bike is legally considered a pedal assisted bicycle under Oregon's motorized bicycle rules.

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