Illegal in ny.=====sucks

[ddesens]

I just looked this up out of curiosity on the dmv website. Direct quote.


Motor Assisted Bicycles


Mopeds (Limited Use Motorcycles)

Are there any special requirements to operate a limited use motorcycle (moped) in NYS?

The Vehicle and Traffic Law defines a limited use motorcycle as "a low-speed vehicle with two or three wheels." Terms frequently used for limited use motorcycles are "mopeds" and "motor scooters."

The requirements to operate a moped are like those for motorcycles. You must have a driver license and you must register a moped to drive it on streets and highways. The exceptions to these requirements are listed in the table below. You can never operate a moped on a sidewalk.

The DMV certifies a moped as a Class A, Class B or Class C limited use motorcycle according to top speed. The manufacturer requests the certification through the DMV Technical Services Bureau. Only a DMV-certified model of limited-use motorcycle can get a registration in NYS. The phone number for the Technical Services Bureau is (518) 474-5282.

To register your moped, bring the following to a DMV office:
•A completed form MV-82 (Registration / Title Application).
•A completed form DTF-802 (Statement of Transaction for Sales Tax ) or proof of exemption or tax paid. The requirements and forms for mopeds are the same as those for motor vehicles. See the information about sales tax.
•Proof of ownership, normally the Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin (MCO), a bill of sale or a previous registration that was transferred to you.
•Proof of identity.
•Cash, check or credit card for the fee. Pay the fees and required sales tax.





Guide to Limited-use Motorcycle Requirements



Class
Determined by Range of Top Speed

A
Over 30 mph
to 40 mph

B
Over 20 mph to
30 mph

C
20 mph or less



License/Permit Required

Class M/MJ 1

Any Class 1

Any Class 1



Registration Required?

YES

YES

YES



Headlight on When Operating?

YES

YES

YES



Helmet and Eye Protection Required?

YES

YES

Recommended



May Operate On

Any Traffic Lane

Right-hand Lane or Shoulder Only 2

Right-hand Lane or Shoulder Only 2



Insurance Required?

YES

YES

Recommended 3



Inspection Required?

YES

Recommended

Recommended



Title Required?

NO

NO

NO



1.Learner permit restrictions apply to all permit classes. Junior operator restrictions apply to class DJ and MJ permits and driver licenses. See Graduated License Law (Junior Drivers).
2.Except when making a left turn.
3.Class C moped used in a rental business must be insured.




Motorized Scooters, Mini-Bikes, Dirt Bikes, Go-Karts, Motor Assisted Bicycles

You cannot register any of the motorized devices from the list below in NYS. You cannot operate these devices on sidewalks, public streets or highways in NYS. These devices are motor vehicles, but they do not have the correct equipment or design for operation on roadways.
•Motorized Scooter - a device with a motor attached and a handlebar for a standing rider. An example of a motorized scooter is the device called the Go-ped®.
•Mini-bike - a small, motorized device with two wheels and created for off-road use. A mini-bike does not qualify as a moped, a motorcycle or an ATV.
•Dirt Bike - a motorized device like a motorcycle, but created for and used for off-road use. Some "dirt bikes" qualify as an ATV. These vehicles can register and operate off-road as an ATV.
•Go-Kart - a small, motorized device with four wheels, created for off-road use. You cannot register a go-kart as a motor vehicle or ATV because a go-kart does not have the same equipment.
•Motor-assisted Bicycle - a bicycle to which a small motor is attached. A motor-assisted bicycle does not qualify for a registration as a motorcycle, moped or ATV and does not have the same equipment.

These devices are not allowed on any street, highway, parking lot, sidewalk or other area that allows public motor vehicle traffic. You are subject to arrest if you operate one of these motorized vehicles and do not have a registration, driver license, inspection, insurance or correct equipment. The DMV can not provide any information about operation of these devices on private property. Contact the local authorities and property owners.

I have been all excited lately, riding my mab around to work and back. Oh well. I am going to keep doing it respectfully and hope for the best. I'm trying to sell 2 of them right now. Oh well. buzz killer..

 

[kevinkrg6]

I was really worried about the laws, but after riding for about 2 weeks, I've had no trouble. I've seen maybe 5 cops and they don't care. I waved at one checking speed with his laser while I rode by.

The law here says 49cc, 1hp, 20mph (O.O)

I wear a helmet, ride to the left, and have turn signals, mirrors, etc.

Follow traffic laws! Thank you Ohio.

I have heard bad things about New York. They don't even allow electric ones, but they can get by. Best of luck to you!

 

[Stinky Finger]

Yup, New York sucks. This is a beautiful state, great people here but the politicians are something else.

Looks like we've got a green light with motorized unicycles though!

 

[ddesens]

"Looks like we've got a green light with motorized unicycles though!" I love it! That would be funny. This is something I would attempt just for spite if my mab was taken away. I know that some people on here might say you should have read up on the laws in ny before getting into this. I really didnt care either way I was still going to build one. Anytime I see a cop from now on I'm going to kill the engine and ghost pedal I guess.

 

["the prussian" Shop Dogs]

As ive said so many times there needs to be a national standard for MB use!
States rights are fine but why should we as the voters allow our own rep. To enact laws to limit MB use?
A national org. Could solve these problems...

 

[bandito]

If I lived in ny i'd go electric, seems they can really stick it to ya if the cop wants to.

 

[motorbiker]

This says they are legal in N.Y.


“And no matter where I’ve been, whether it’s New York state to California, anything under 50ccs you can operate (without a vehicle registration).”

Read more: Questions arise over motorized bicycles | questions, ride, arise - 'I'm just trying to ride in ' - Northwest Florida Daily News

Just show them this !

 

[professor]

Florida Daily News hasn't got a clue.
The only way to ride here legally is with a plate on the back.
Buy a junk moped with a reg. and make your bike into it or just buy a moped.

 

[happyvalley]

Heads up in NY:

Sep 1, 2011 at 1:00 PM EDT
A Massena man faces charges for allegedly driving a motorized bicycle illegally.

State Police in Massena say a patrol car was stopped in traffic on South Main Street in the village when police saw 23 year old Joshua Barrett operating his bicycle on the northbound shoulder of the road without any lights.
As Barrett passed the patrol car, police say it was clear the bicycle was powered by a gasoline engine.
After a traffic stop, police learned that Barrett had 11 license suspensions on eight different dates.
Barrett was charged with second degree aggravated unlicensed operation of a motor vehicle, unlicensed operator, unregistered, uninsured and uninspected motor vehicle, and inadequate lights.
Police say Barrett's bicycle was powered by a 49cc engine. He will face the charges in Massena Village Court later this month.


Massena Man Arrested For Illegally Operating Motorized Bicycle | WWNY TV 7 - News, Weather and Sports for | Watertown, NY | Local News

 

[MotorNut123]

ny sucks. too many restrictions and laws like this. i still ride mine and i passed a few cops and they just watched me go past.

 

[ddesens]

Ive been passed by several cops from 2 different towns. So far I havent been stopped. I wear a helmet and use lights. We will see how long this lasts.

 

[Kiwegapawa]

I figured I'd at lease be driving my build before this occured. This must have been changed some time after I had done the indepth reading. Cause when I found nothing addressing it. Hence, I called my local State Trooper's Barracks, And he did not know about it then. As I have no doubt he would have told me if it was there then. But I was prepared to go this far to begin with. Any other person living here in New York State that wish to fight for the legal privledge is more than welcome to join me.

This is without a doubt a point of bias against a certain vehicle. As it states that the Motor Assisted Bicycle does not have the equipment such as Motorcycles and Mopeds. And yet these points are there for those who wish to install them. Furthermore, no vehicle is just stated to have the proper equipment, As this is indeed what an inspection is about.

To check and verify that the equipment is there and working properly.[/font][/b]If you look further, you will find under the point of handicapped. Motor Assisted Bicycles or vehicles of any type can not Bias one type engine over another. Speaking directly to those that are Electrically Motorized to that of Gas Powered Motor at the DOJ (Department of Justice). Since this change in the law precluding a certain vehicle is indeed bias in nature. There in showing these people addressing the situation from DMV / Legislators, It leaves it in our hands to enlighten them. In this of the engineering that goes back before their selected vehicles. It's time, not only in New York State, but in all states.

This endevor won't be cheap. Like that of myself, I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is. Be it court costs to Attorney fee's. If your joining me in this, you will be required to do the same. But I believe it behooves us all to get envolved with this.

But as I stated in the Oregon section of Laws and Legislation, we really need to organize and I don't think the point of use of Lobbiest is not being overzealous. We need to fight the good fight. We all know that this is worth the effort. It's time to rise to the occassion! As we need to start moving on this thing now. What say you, from Motorized Bicyclist to Commercially envolved in sales to us, to those Building to sell. Do we sit back and watch it all get slowly washed down the tubes. Or do we step to the plate and legally address the Bias. Especially considering the economy and the benefits our community bring to the plate! Let alone the rest of the industry that this envolves.As MotorBiker pointed out to us from Florida speaking of what was New York Law
.

Arnett said he hopes lawmen will leave people on motorized bikes alone as long as they are obeying the traffic laws.
Read more: http://www.nwfdailynews.com/articles/questions-42880-ride-arise.html#ixzz1VlnMCf2S

We don't have to leave this to chance. The points are there to address it legally. It's not a good idea to wait to see if they come for us or not. We see the transistion all across the country, the longer we take, the harder it will be to address it.

 

[wayne z]

That's a good point about being pro-active with local government and mototbicle rules. We are loseing rights and freedom more every day, as government tries to pry into every aspect of our lives.

If you're fimilar with the govt system and their rules and protocall, that they HAVE to follow, and you have a good plan, a lot can be accomplished as far as setting prececences and instilling favorable regulations.

 

[Kiwegapawa]

Following the red tape is forever changing. For instance the most recent one I worked within. Was 2003, or what came to an end in 2003. That of Law Enforcement over the internet. Up to that point was FedCirc. President Bush noted how well they did thier jobs. He appointed them as Homeland Security. This where I parted company with them. I wasn't on the payroll. Just one of the people who'd been volinteering in collecting Networking Forensics during attacks towards the personal or commericial users. (Collecting court admisable evidence.) The western states had already been building there own points of Law Enforcement over the Internet. Here in the east coast we were totally dependant on FedCirc. Literally became no man's land and hacker got away with everything.[/color

Anyways,, this change up changed it all. Proceedures to points of who to report to went upside down for 3 years due to this. Still today in New York State, those points who we are suppose to report to now of the State Police Computer Unit in Gloversville and the FBI in Albany are shinning on victims and not following through on anything. Anything but big corporate stuff, mostly NYC, as always get everything, the rest of the state gets to fend for itself. These who they put in place since the upgrade of FedCirc. I can say simply, due to the experience of being there during the transition. And no doubt they'll deny it, till the cows come home. "They don't want the duty they were assigned." And of course, that of the Attorney Generals Office of the Internet Bureau is the biggest joke yet in attempting to file a case. Always was.

Same holds true from one election year to the next in what we are speaking of now. You don't know until you get into it. That is, if there are any change ups, besides the point of which people, who need to be seen, in following the red tape. It all consist of many phone calls and enquires. Within this, it is a very safe bet, that the phone number given in the point of addressing the Technical Services (phone number 518-474-5282) will eventually lead to another phone call, that will eventually lead to the legislators commity who forumlated the law as it is now written. When reaching this point, no doubt, we'll start to hear a shuck and jive routine. This is the way of politics, and you can't let hearing it get the better of you. Matter of fact, from this you'll know directly who, or more to the point, which you have in opposition in the upcoming battle. First engagements, you have to tread lightly and keep your ears open for any, and all tidbits of information. As it comes down to the point, they won't want to admit they did something without consideration, of even their own rules, or federal rules. Let alone the people it directly envolves or the benefits that will come to all who would wish this type of transportation. But as we have been on the receiving end and checking it all out. We do know better. We do need to be organized here though. Best to look at other communities to decide how we wish to do this. Not saying Motorized Bicycling, as I don't think there is any yet. Speaking of other communities addressing some other legal issues. How they organized, what benefits they gained by doing it that way, and how successful they've been up to this point? Approprieately so, open a dialog (thread) for members to post their findings of other communities who are there and doing it now. Move slow and steady from there. As getting as many envolved as possible makes a web working in the same direction at the same time. Meaning less will get by us, un-noticed. There are many here with good common sense thinking here. Time to get them all talking so we can start refining the motion! As the more heads we put together on this, the better our chances become. Better to organize a think tank, then to follow one person. A political agenda can overcome most all of anyone, best not to overload anyones shoulders. These are the things I know from previous experiences.

 

[biknut]

None of my business, but I'd suggest these changes, and yes NY sucks. Good luck, you'll need it. I'd talk to ABATE.

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Guide to Limited-use Motorcycle Requirements

Class
Determined by engine size
A
Over 66cc
B
50 to 66cc
C
50cc and less


License/Permit Required

Class M/MJ 1

Any Class 1

No License 50cc and under



Registration Required?

YES

No

No



Headlight on When Operating?

YES

No

No



Helmet and Eye Protection Required?

YES

No, or bicycle Helmet

No, or Bicycle Helmet



May Operate On

Any Traffic Lane

Right-hand Lane or Shoulder Only 2

Right-hand Lane or Shoulder Only 2



Insurance Required?

YES

No

No



Inspection Required?

YES

Recommended

No



Title Required?

NO

NO

NO



1.Learner permit restrictions apply to all permit classes. Junior operator restrictions apply to class DJ and MJ permits and driver licenses. See Graduated License Law (Junior Drivers).
2.Except when making a left turn.
3.Class C moped used in a rental business must be insured.

No License for 50 cc and under


Motorized Scooters, Mini-Bikes, Dirt Bikes, Go-Karts, Motor Assisted Bicycles

You cannot register any of the motorized devices from the list below in NYS. You cannot operate these devices on sidewalks, public streets or highways in NYS. These devices are motor vehicles, but they do not have the correct equipment or design for operation on roadways.
•Motorized Scooter - a device with a motor attached and a handlebar for a standing rider. An example of a motorized scooter is the device called the Go-ped®.
•Mini-bike - a small, motorized device with two wheels and created for off-road use. A mini-bike does not qualify as a moped, a motorcycle or an ATV.
•Dirt Bike - a motorized device like a motorcycle, but created for and used for off-road use. Some "dirt bikes" qualify as an ATV. These vehicles can register and operate off-road as an ATV.
•Go-Kart - a small, motorized device with four wheels, created for off-road use. You cannot register a go-kart as a motor vehicle or ATV because a go-kart does not have the same equipment.
•Motor-assisted Bicycle - a bicycle to which a small motor is attached. A motor-assisted bicycle does not qualify for a registration as a motorcycle, moped or ATV and does not have the same equipment.

These devices are not allowed on any street, highway, parking lot, sidewalk or other area that allows public motor vehicle traffic. You are subject to arrest if you operate one of these motorized vehicles and do not have a registration, driver license, inspection, insurance or correct equipment. The DMV can not provide any information about operation of these devices on private property. Contact the local authorities and property owners.

I have been all excited lately, riding my motorized bicycle around to work and back. Oh well. I am going to keep doing it respectfully and hope for the best. I'm trying to sell 2 of them right now. Oh well. buzz killer..

 

[Kiwegapawa]

Thanks for the support Biknut. As they say, This very well, will be Coming to a jurisdiction close to you. Seen it before nothing new. Guess it's just a flash in the pan type thing for you. Too bad the history don't carry through for you. Oh,, I note some changes in what was originally noted and what you spread out there in your post. Lets pop a screen shot right from New York State Motorvehicle web site to verify.

Hard to believe I'm having a conversation like this, with one of our own members. But there it is. Plenty of prescident to show what comes from that which does sit in complacency. And Abate does not contain those points of Industry that are benefit from our use, but a very few. It is indeed best it is as to those sources that we benefit. Myself, I only have one of those sources that is of assistance to my build as many others here, Chopper US. The rest are all small engine dealers and bicycle dealers that we benefit from.

 

[biknut]

it's not universally bad. Many states have reasonable attitudes for MBs. I think it's excessive to require licensing and redistration for a china girl size bike, but if it's just a matter of a few dollars I could live it.

 

[Fugi93]

In New York you are lucky just to ride a bicycle without a motor. Story from 1 year ago:

http://www.wkbw.com/news/video/LICENSE-PLATES-FOR-BIKES-117204918.html

 

[Kiwegapawa]

Biknut, In my opinion, it isn't unreasonable, to a limited point. As there should be a venue to those who choose to build their own transportation. There in, should be a certain degree of safety met. Hence the point of a inspection already there for most all motorized vehicles, except farm machinery. This where we know, those people limited to be without transportation, when employed are limited to what they can provide their own finanicial well-being. Where outside circumstances can literally put them out of work through no fault of their own. No matter the size of displacement, if built within the limitations set. To cut this off without resolution, is to add a bias without reasonable cause!

Politicians say they are working to create jobs. Then they show us statistics. But what we see is more small business owners being trumpled where ever we look. To places like where Fugi93 shows us of outrageous proposals to cause more harm to those at the bottom of the financial food chain. November is coming up fast, it's time to put Tyrants posing as politicians on the unemployment line!

 

[biknut]

If your MB fails the only person that's going to get hurt is youself, so I don't see a need for inspections, but if that's all it would take to be legal so be it.

Too many people,especially on this site don't understand the difference between a motorcycle and a motor bicycle.

In most states if you don't need to peddle it, it's a motorcycle peddles or not. The only exceptions would be 50cc mopeds, but they're still not MBs.

Whatever regulations a state makes up for motor bicycles should be reasonable, and easy to meet, and inexpensive.