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Technocyclist

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we need a name for this special engine... hmmm.... 'Jimgine'... or 'CEE' for Creative Engineering Engine... or 'UHT' - Ultra Happy Time... :)

a special engine deserves a special name....
 

jasonh

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That motor sounds like it'll be great. Do you think just a new head for our current motors will be an option? Maybe a new Jug as well? Might be a good way for those that can't afford a new expensive motor to get a little improvement.

Looking forward to progress, even if I won't be able to order one (will be spending my money on an electric motorcycle in the future).
 

dvddtz

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I sure am glad to have found this thread.This is my first post,I tend to read alot,but I learn alot to, thanks to all of the rest of you guys. This new motor idea is very exciting,I am on my third one in six months, 2-70cc now I have a 48cc.So I would deffinitly be interested in having a more reliable motor.Thanks for all the info,and I will be keeping my eyes open for the unvailing of the new and much improved motor.Again thanks, Davidbrnot
 

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I sure am glad to have found this thread.This is my first post,I tend to read alot,but I learn alot to, thanks to all of the rest of you guys. This new motor idea is very exciting,I am on my third one in six months, 2-70cc now I have a 48cc.So I would deffinitly be interested in having a more reliable motor.Thanks for all the info,and I will be keeping my eyes open for the unvailing of the new and much improved motor.Again thanks, Davidbrnot
3 in 6 months sounds a little suspicious to me. Have they all been from the same dealer, and what has been happening to them?
 

dvddtz

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Yes I bought ten kits from a guy in Texas,1st one wrist pin bearing came apart and a needle got wedged between piston and cylinder wall,2nd one Im not real sure yet,I dont have alot of time to look,and this bike is my onlt transportation,so I just threw another motor on. Also I did get hit by a car with my first one,ladie ran a stop sign.So Im not sure
 

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Dvd Sent Me A Pm Last Week, WE LIVE ACCROSS TOWN FROM EACH OTHER. We Are Going To Meet Up Soon. He Thinks The Wrist Pin Bearing Came Apart Because He Ran It To Hard, No Break In! Who Has Thoughts On That! I Didn`t Think So. That`s Scary To Me, The Roller Wrist Pin Brg Self Distructing. Is This Common? Ron
 
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jasonh

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The needle bearings are not sized properly and are fairly unreliable on these motors.

As for whether or not it's due to lack of break-in, who knows. I say run 16:1 for your first gallon....the first time you start it, let it sit and warm up fully, then ride it like you stole it.
 

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Thats what I was thinking as well Jim & Donuts, placing spacers either side of the gudgeon pin to take up the slack, its just working out the tollerance between piston skirt & rod, so it does not nip up?, hmmmm questions, questions & more thoughts, beer o'clock time
 

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Okay all, after a thirst quenching drink or two, I got back to the tools, I started to work on a new 50cc motor when this thread commenced, In doing so I machined the crank & balanced, its that friggin precise a ballerina could do all her flang dangled moves on it, without being hindered in any way, Its basically a two piece crank with roller bearing to conrod big end.

I machined up a few crank sets, and every one of them was different to the one before, but then again when balancing anything, if your serious about clearances & tolerances, its got to be done on an individual basis, I have built many small block engines in my life & never have I come across two blocks which needed identical modifications in balancing, or for that matter never seen two castings for block, crank and cylinder head which were identical to a tee, there all around the mark

I also de burred all sharp edges & injection dags from manufacturing to all the external faces of the block, commenced internal porting to the crank case, I still have to finish but before I want to go any further I need to build a mounting plate so I can flow test these motors on my SupaFlow bench, (not as quick and easy as one might think though) as I need to see when & at what stage I start to go backwards or waste my time thinking Im going to make an improvement when actually wasting electricity & shooting myself in the foot, I will work on the locating dowels for crank case & cylinder head and should have it suss by next week.

As for the cylinder head, I will create my own, I will keep you all informed as I move along, as I will start from the bottom & work my way up

But I must state its not about going all out to create a motor for the extreme sports category, I agree totally as Jim has stated, its about creating a honest, reliable & value for money starting point, from there someone can take it to what ever heights they like, I want to create a solid bottom end to start with.

A couple of pics of what I have done so far.

Cheers all.
 

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dvddtz

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I bought these kits for resale,and have sold 5 so far, but I think I will hang on to 1 or 3 to try some things ive seen on the forum(so much for profit margin). Do you think the weight of spacers will have any adverse affect?
 

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OK I am in over my head with the machining mods. I can do some hand work with files and dremel. So who is selling engines and what changes are they doing? Several say they are selling but what and for how much? I can't seem to find all the info as some addresses were on another thread.
 
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As far as i know Chris Hill and Jim @ Creative Engineering are the only ones improving and selling these engines. Chris Hill replaces the bearings and rounds the edges of the ports (from his website). Jim will be producing engines on a small scale and the details will be found in a thread that he will post within the next few days. I dont know if brains is planning on selling his machined parts but he obviously has the tools to get it done -Justin
 
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Technocyclist

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Oil seals and crank bearings.

My 1st Z80 seized in about 2 months of normal daily use. The needles also went between the piston and cylinder. I think it was an air leak that caused it. No way to separate it so I just threw away the whole assembly but retained the crankcase and clutch for spare parts. I'm on my 2nd Z80 which almost seized when the oil seals popped out after 3 months or 2,400 kms. I was thinking of a putting a circlip to lock the oil seals but there is'nt much space, and the circlip would probably pop out also because of the vibration. Maybe superglue but I don't think it will hold in the heat. I used head gasket maker for now. I was thinking why is it that the crank bearings ar not sealed and the clutch bearings are sealed. Is there any reason why crank bearings are not sealed?

I was also thinking of a better oil seal, probably an O-ring with a grooved aluminum wheel, about 4mm thick, and lock with a circlip. I think the O-rings would stand the heat and provide a better seal. The crankshaft would also have to be grooved to fit the o-rings.

So, reed valves would probably just blow out the oil seals unless there's a lock on it, or probably a better oil seal with o-rings.

So, how do you guys keep your oil seals from popping out?

does chris hill use sealed bearings on the cranks?
 
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