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Old 08-10-2009, 11:24 AM
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Default New Alberta Law

http://www.transportation.alberta.ca...PowerBikes.pdf

They worsened the Alberta law for mopeds, at least gas powered ones, to match the rest of Canada.

Electrics now are limited to 32 km/h (from 35) and also have no weight limit (used to be 35 kg)

Now gas powered bicycles need insurance/registration, but are allowed to go 70 km/h and also have no weight restriction.
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Old 08-11-2009, 01:05 AM
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Default Re: New Alberta Law

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http://www.transportation.alberta.ca...PowerBikes.pdf

They worsened the Alberta law for mopeds, at least gas powered ones, to match the rest of Canada.

Electrics now are limited to 32 km/h (from 35) and also have no weight limit (used to be 35 kg)

Now gas powered bicycles need insurance/registration, but are allowed to go 70 km/h and also have no weight restriction.
The way I read it modified bicycles powered by a gasoline engine kit are not at all included in any definition now. Bet if you call your gov they will tell you the same or that you can't register one. Wonder why they pulled the plug? Pressure from LEO's or other provinces maybe?
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Old 08-11-2009, 01:33 AM
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As soon as INSURANCE and REGISTRATION is required, it has to be a DEFINABLE item. IF you say "I built it" you just said a BAD word, because it will not be on their LIST, so how can the slave in the mega-call-centre give you a price?

I don't think the price you pay for insurance is based on any risk - it's more "how much can we legally extract from him before he stops buying from us?" and "if we ALL quote high prices he has to buy it SOMEWHERE". Insurance companies are Investment Institutions that also write policies as a sideline.

I will just continue to ride discretely this summer and fall, and play with electrics this winter. In this climate, a bike is just a 6 month novelty at the very best.

Thing is, I don't mind the tighter law, because not everybody out there is like me - some will ride like idiots and ruin it for everybody. Gov't is basically heading it off at the pass, before it gets out of hand.
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Old 08-11-2009, 07:33 PM
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Ahh yes I never bothered to think about the insurance industry...

Are we not at the point yet where we can safely count on bodily digits how many pies the insurance industry doesn't have a finger in?
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Old 11-18-2009, 06:56 PM
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Default Re: New Alberta Law

Effective July 1, 2009, Alberta amended the Use of Highway and Rules of
the Road Regulation adopting Transport Canada's definition of
power-assisted bicycle. At the same time we also amended the definition
of moped, adopting Transport Canada's definition of limited-speed
motorcycle. Adopting Transport Canada's power-assisted bicycle
definition only allows an Alberta power bicycle to have an electric
motor; the intention being power-assisted bicycles are to be operated as
bicycles with an electric assist.

Alberta relies upon Transport Canada to establish motor vehicle design
and engineering standards; including standards for noise and exhaust
emissions. Prior to July 1 of this year many Albertans were purchasing
Transport Canada power-assisted bicycles but, because they weighed more
than 35 kg, they were required to licence and insure them as mopeds
before they could be operated on a roadway in Alberta. Adopting
Transport Canada's definition eliminated this requirement, making these
green alternative vehicles street legal.

Since July 1 of this year an internal combustion engine driven bicycle
is defined as a moped. Mopeds must be licensed and insured, their
riders must wear a motorcycle helmet, and hold at least a class 7
driver's licence.

Considering engine driven bicycles to be a mopeds hasn't made them
illegal. There are no plans at this time to change Alberta's
definitions to allow for engine driven power bicycles.

You are correct, to register an internal combustion engine driven
bicycle as a moped requires an Alberta assigned Vehicle Identification
Number (VIN). Obtaining an assigned VIN should not be difficult; an
Alberta's assigned VIN for an engine driven bicycle will cost $52.50
(including GST). For more information contact the Insurance Bureau of
Canada at 1-866 263-6240, or visit their Alberta assigned VIN webpage:
https://apps.ibc.ca/AlbertaReVin/Rev...tructions.aspx

After obtaining an assigned VIN the Alberta Registries agent will
require you to get an out-of-province safety inspection. This
inspection must be done by a certified and licensed motorcycle
technician an Alberta licensed facility. You will be responsible for
the cost of this inspection; please contact Gordon Byer, Manager Vehicle
Inspection Programs, by telephone at 780-427-8901, or by email at
Gordon.Byer@gov.ab.ca, to assist you in finding a suitable inspection
facility.

An engine driven bicycle must meet the vehicle equipment requirements
for a moped. A moped must have headlamps, tail lamps, signal lamps,
brake lamps, mirrors, and a side mirror. You may view the Vehicle
Equipment Regulation on the Queen's Printer's website at:
Alberta Queen's Printer:
=9780779743193

You can view Alberta's definitions for power bicycle and moped in the
Use of Highway and Rules of the Road Regulation on Alberta's Queen's
Printer's website:
http://www.qp.alberta.ca/574.cfm?pag...e=Regs&isbncln
=9780779743186

You can view Transport Canada's definitions of power-assisted bicycle
and limited-speed motorcycle on Transport Canada's website:
Short Title, Interpretation - Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations (C.R.C., c. 1038) - List of Regulations - Acts and Regulations - Transport Canada
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Old 01-12-2010, 03:49 PM
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The following is an Email I wrote to Alberta Transportation and their reply. It would appear that motorized kit bicycles have been made illegal not only in Alberta but throughout Canada via Transport Canada regulations and definitions. I urge all Albertans and Canadians to express their disapproval to the MLA'a and MP's and request the appropriate legislation be amended to allow motorized kit bikes without the requirement to be licensed and insured and to be on equal footing as electric powered bicycles.

Dear Sir:

I have have recently become aware of the new legislation regarding powered assisted bicycles. See http://www.transportation.alberta.ca...PowerBikes.pdf

I applaud the elimination of the weight restrictions for electric bikes.

However, I am deeply troubled by the removal of engine driven bicycles from the definition of a power assisted bicycle to the reclassification of the same to "moped" . I am specifically referring to bicycles that have been modified with a small gasoline engine (less than 50cc) for pedal assistance, see http://img1.classistatic.com/cps/kj/...816l8l_19.jpeg. Under the previous legislation these bike did not require license or insurance. Under the new legislation they are classified as a "moped" . Therefore if one puchases a engine kit (see Zoombicycles SOLD OUT - Jet Stealth 49cc Gas Bicycle Engine Kit | Bicycle Engine Kits | RuiHong Enterprises Ltd. ) he must also do the following to meet the vehicle equipment requirements for a moped:

* Obtain a VIN (cost $52)
* install headlamps, tail lamps, signal lamps,
* install brake lamps, mirrors, and a side mirror
* pay for a mechanical inspection (more $$)
* obtain insurance (impossible)

The performance of of an 49 cc gasoline engine driven power assisted bicycle is no different from that of a 500 watt electric bicycle (I know because I have both). It is clear that the electric bicycle lobby was influential in this legislation at the expense of the engine driven bicycle community. It is also interesting to not that the picture of the bike on the left of the official Alberta Government webpage http://www.transportation.alberta.ca...PowerBikes.pdf depicts a gasoline engine powered bike (Revopower see RevoPower - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) which does not meet the moped vehicle equipment requirements. Clearly the legislators don't no what the **** they are doing and\or have shown a blatant disregard and prejudice of gasoline engine driven power assisted bicycles.

Would you please reply to me(either via email or phone 403-328-8814) with an explanation of the rationale behind the removal of engine driven bicycles from a power assisted bicycle to the reclassification of the same to "moped" .



THEIR REPLY :

Hello Blair:

Thank you for your email of January 11, 2010 regarding mopeds.

The changes to the power bicycle and moped done this past summer were to align Alberta with Transport Canada definitions.

Transport Canada controls the import and construction of motor vehicles for sale in Canada. They also have a definition for power-assisted bicycles; Alberta has aligned with Transport Canada's definitions to stop some confusion that was occurring with vehicles sold in the province.

Limited-speed motorcycles are required to meet certain standards to be allowed in the country; once this vehicle meets these standards a label is to be applied to the vehicle signifying its compliance with federal standards. Alberta aligned the moped definition with the limited-speed motorcycle definition to clear up the discrepancies between Alberta's old definition and the federal government.

The same discrepancy was occurring with the power bicycle definition and the power-assisted bicycle definition. Transport Canada requires power-assisted bicycles to be marked with a label indicating the vehicle is a power-assisted bicycle; the federal classification only allows for electric powered vehicles. Adopting the Transport Canada definition allows Albertans to know from the federal label how the vehicle can be used in Alberta.

The previous definitions Alberta had, which allowed gas powered engines, had different criteria which involved weights. New vehicles were exceeding these weight restrictions and were falling out of their intended use because of Alberta's unique legislation.

Thank you for bringing an error with the publication to our attention we will fix this error as soon as possible. If you have any further questions please contact myself.


Chris Yanitski
Vehicle Safety E.I.T.
Alberta Transportation
chris.yanitski@gov.ab.ca
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Old 06-10-2010, 02:39 AM
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I'm sorry to revive a few month old post but bgoats I am interested in the letter you wrote. I wonder if they have gotten around to correcting thie error or not.

As a side note I am now worried like crazy about building my Motored Bicycle. I live in Calgary Alberta, and just bought my first engine kit. I have not yet bought a bike for it, but after reading this I am really freaked out about getting nailed by some jerk cop forcing me to walk home while he impounds my bike.

I phoned 2 insurance companys and they both told me they could NOT insure my gas motor powered bike even if I had got my vin, inspection and all that, because they have no classification for it and thus just can't insure it.

I have a 750cc street bike, but have not gotten my bike licence other than the learners bit ever as I just ride with people with thier class 6 for years and years. I am starting to figure If I'm going to have to shell out for all this VIN lables, Out of province inspection for crap sakes (I'm a licenced mechanic and it makes no sense to me lol) and then pay to have it insured, I may aswell just poloute the crap out of the enviroment, register and insure my real street bike.

The trouble is I don't want to ride my 750cc street bike, sure I love it, and it's fun for highway cruises, but I really want to get into motored biking, I love the idea and was going to use it to completely replace my vehicle for the summer. I was and still am into the idea so much so that I am willing to ditch my 200kph motercycle for a little 50cc gas powered mountain bike.

I'm not sure what to do now. I am just wondering as long as I have a helmet on(and thats sure not going to be hot 5lb motorcycle helmet either lol) , ride responsibly, maby make sure I have a mirror, headlight and some signals, weather or not the police are going to react well or badly to it, I just don't know. Do I just go ahead and pull out the Yamaha 750cc?

It's just angering me right now as I just got into this, and then found how stupid our laws are regulating this. It's extremely sad that I can get legal and register,insure, and get onto a street bike that will kill you dead faster than you can think of making a mistake, easier and in some situations almost similar costs.


I think I may just say screw it and pick up a bike and just zip around and do my thing, keep writing to my MP's. I envy countries like china and other places where these bikes are just so popular. This traffic system get's it. This is an EXCELLENT wy to get around and travel, and were ignoring it or chopping it off at the you know whats, and making it incredibly cost PROHIBITIVE for us to get into legally, just so it can conform to the law.


Anyways I'd really like to hear how my felow canadians and americns for that matter with restrictive laws on these bikes are dealing with it. Have any of you had any run-ins with the police, or had any legal trouble with riding these things?

Cheers,

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Old 06-10-2010, 07:23 PM
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I have no doubt that Alberta Transportation considers ice bikes as mopeds and therefore requires license and insurance. I also feel that even if one gets a VIN number you will never make them CSVV compliant and able to insure and license.

I too went into my local Alberta Vehicle Registration place and was told they did not require licensing and was given an old copy of the legislation.

I live in a small Alberta tourist town in the summer and was working on my bike outside when a local RCMP officer came buy and started a conversation. He initially told me that it was a moped and required licensing and insurance. I told him about my experience at Alberta Vehicle Registration and showed him the old legislation that I was given. He told me he would look it up but wouldn't bother be riding the bike anyway.

Yesterday he dropped by with another piece of paper which was the old regulations and told me I was OK and to keep the paper for reference. So as far as I'm concerned I am safe riding in my small Alberta town but know people are getting ticketed elsewhere in Alberta.

Not fair for others....but shows how confused people are over this bicycle legislation thing ! The whole thing is so stupid ! My electric bike will outperform by motorized bike yet one is legal and they other is not
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Old 06-10-2010, 08:05 PM
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Which papper set do you have? I was thinking I would do the exact same thing and keep the legislation papers on me that match exactally what the registries told me which was what they told you, that is dosn't require anything.

I am not sure which legislative pappers to carry on me as it seems there are a few different ones. I thought I'd at least like to have a copy of those on my in case I do get stoped, because it shows the police that for 1, you do care, and are being responsible and looking into it, 2 it helps give you some weight when you get in a discussion about it and may be helpful in getting you out of trouble.

It's not the be all end all to keep safer, but it could sure help. If you know whee I can get the copy you have I'd appreciate it, it's obvously the same peppers I'm looking for because it sounds just like the ones my registries quoted to me.

Thanks for the reply mate!

Cheers,
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Old 06-10-2010, 09:19 PM
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I'm all over this forum and others with the same thing. No gas motors on bicycles. PERIOD.

You are open to being charged with operating an unlicensed, uninsured, unregistered motor vehicle. Look up your provinces motor vehicle laws to see what you will have to pay and how long you will have to spend in jail if you get the maximum.

The Feds did a lot of testing and the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia and Ford Motors who were building the Think E-bike at the time were major contributers to the government laws. They also talked to the moped makers around the world to get an idea of how they should be built.

The result is that I just paid $1,700 for a hub motor and a high end battery.
Join the wave folks. The Chinese Government has banned ICE motors in China. They are all electric now.

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