Florida: Support Arnett's Petition

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motorbiker

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Why no clutch ? That would not include the china girl kits that he sells ?

No shifting ? ? ? The china girl shift kit is all that for hills !

Why did he put those words in there ?

What the heck Jeff ! ! !

That clutching crap is leftover crap from the 70's moped laws ! ! !

It's 2011 ! ! ! Hello ? ? ?

I give up ! ! ! :(
 
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Pappy

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although I live in Indiana,This cause has my support, due to the fact that I am a Florida native and will be relocating back to Florida in a few years.

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I have time in my design and want to sell and promote it.

I was going to wait to tell but it involves an electric motor powered sick bike parts shift kit style setup.

Now Jeff wants to make my design not legal ! ! !

Jeff wants our stuff to be freekin mopeds ! ! !

I am soooooooooo pissed ! ! ! :(
 

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the clutch & shifting question is a non issue to just a china girl.
it means that you don't use a clutch & shifting while riding. it doesn't mean no clutch @ all.
gears & no clutch while riding has been on the laws for a long time.

shift kits would be illegal unless it was automatic. meaning the driver doesn't control it. a cvt or nuvinci's dev model that is computer controlled would be legal.

the problem i see & i have never seen adressed is the 25inches for the seat.

my seat can't be 25 inches inits lowest position & i imagine many of us are over 25 inches.

anyway having a low seat makes it harder to see around cadgers.
ooo oooo ! i'm going to make a poll thread!
 

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the clutch & shifting question is a non issue to just a china girl.
it means that you don't use a clutch & shifting while riding. it doesn't mean no clutch @ all.
gears & no clutch while riding has been on the laws for a long time.

shift kits would be illegal unless it was automatic. meaning the driver doesn't control it. a cvt or nuvinci's dev model that is computer controlled would be legal.

the problem i see & i have never seen adressed is the 25inches for the seat.

my seat can't be 25 inches inits lowest position & i imagine many of us are over 25 inches.

anyway having a low seat makes it harder to see around cadgers.
ooo oooo ! i'm going to make a poll thread!
That is the hot new design. The motor driving the crank so you can shift gears.

That is what the new electric bicycles do.

Jeff wants to outlaw them in Florida ! :(
 

decoherence

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That is the hot new design. The motor driving the crank so you can shift gears.

That is what the new electric bicycles do.

Jeff wants to outlaw them in Florida ! :(
that is FUD!
wikki said:
Fear, uncertainty and doubt, frequently abbreviated as FUD, is a tactic used in sales, marketing, public relations,[1][2] politics and propaganda. FUD is generally a strategic attempt to influence public perception by disseminating negative and dubious/false information designed to undermine the credibility of their beliefs.
check the laws. it already is illegal.
he is just trying to change as little of the law that is already on the books.

also to my prior post. the clutch thing is like when you drive a truck & have to clutch when you change gears. not to engage engine.

not shure what the motive is on why false info is being spread but i'm starting to get an idea.
 

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that is FUD!


check the laws. it already is illegal.
he is just trying to change as little of the law that is already on the books.

also to my prior post. the clutch thing is like when you drive a truck & have to clutch when you change gears. not to engage engine.

not shure what the motive is on why false info is being spread but i'm starting to get an idea.


This allows the motor to go through the gears.

Bosch eBike Systeme - Startseite

This is the new stuff.

Why outlaw it in Florida ?

Mopeds and no shifting or clutching rules were made for kids to ride.

It's a safe for kids thing.
 
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I was around in the 70's moped craze and where I lived only kids rode mopeds and that was before they got a real motorcycle or car.

Mopeds were motorcycle training machines for kids.

That is why the no shifting or clutch thing. It has nothing to do with trucks !

Our bicycle laws are dumb enough now. We don't need them to be any dumber !
 

decoherence

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This allows the motor to go through the gears.

Bosch eBike Systeme - Startseite

This is the new stuff.

Why outlaw it in Florida ?

Mopeds and no shifting or clutching rules were made for kids to ride.

It's a safe for kids thing.
keep trying.

what you posted is an automatic engine & clutch-less.
do you see the modes? you pedal & select how much the motor is to help.

so 2 false statements. 2 strikes.
 

motorbiker

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keep trying.

what you posted is an automatic engine & clutch-less.
do you see the modes? you pedal & select how much the motor is to help.

so 2 false statements. 2 strikes.
The motor powers the cranks. You shift gears like a regular bicycle.

The motor is going through the gears.

Clutches are on China girl motors ?

Why make china girl engine kits not legal ?

Why make china girl shift kits not legal ?

The only gas kits I know of that will meet Jeff specs are friction drive, Golden Eagle and Staton type.
 
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decoherence

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i guess you didn't read. i will try to explain again.
a clutch is allowed to engage & disengage an engine to stop or start. after it is moving it isn't.

if you know how to drive stick you know that every time you change a gear you need to press the clutch.

china girls with a clutch are like an automatic car because an automatic car has a neutral.
that is what our clutch does. it makes a neutral.
even with a shift kit we don't use the clutch.

now back to the bike you linked.

you don't have any control over the engine. it has modes.
you press a button then ride it as a normal bike.
.to the strain on the cyclist, it has to determine how much auxiliary power is needed. For this purpose, three sensors measure speed, pedaling frequency, and torque. These allow the optimum amount of mechanical support to be computed. For example, if a head wind comes up, the e-biker must pedal harder to maintain the same speed. The pedal-force sensor reacts to this, and extra power from the motor makes up for the additional strain. This technology wastes no power, making the Bosch Drive Unit extremely efficient.
you have no control like a throttle. it is automatic.

also
After accelerating to 25 kph in just a few seconds, the motor automatically shuts off.
 

motorbiker

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i guess you didn't read. i will try to explain again.
a clutch is allowed to engage & disengage an engine to stop or start. after it is moving it isn't.

if you know how to drive stick you know that every time you change a gear you need to press the clutch.

china girls with a clutch are like an automatic car because an automatic car has a neutral.
that is what our clutch does. it makes a neutral.
even with a shift kit we don't use the clutch.

now back to the bike you linked.

you don't have any control over the engine. it has modes.
you press a button then ride it as a normal bike.


you have no control like a throttle. it is automatic.

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Right ! I hear you ! Just more confusing bicycle junk rules that date back to the eary moped, kids motorcycle training days.

Thanks Jeff. You have confused the heck out of people.

This is motorbikers last post on this forum. I really do give up. :(
 

decoherence

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you don't have to not post. if you are unsure of something ask.
don't make statements that are based off of something that you are unsure of.

a definitely don't post a link to something that does the opposite of prove your point.

post on. :)
 

Arnett Motor Bikes

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you don't have to not post. if you are unsure of something ask.
don't make statements that are based off of something that you are unsure of.

a definitely don't post a link to something that does the opposite of prove your point.

post on. :)
you tried your best with motorbiker. I don't understand why he never understood what you were trying to tell him. Maybe he'll be back in a few. As I said in other post if anyone has anything to add or maybe change in the definition I am proposing please give me your ideas. I can change anything on the petition at anytime. But one thing I will not respond back to is B I T CH ING. I don't have time for that, so long story short read it and if you see something that can be changed for the better let me know. Thanks for the supporters out there. As soon as I have enough names I am going to the state capital.
 

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Just add to the current definition...
Instead of just...
"An electric helper motor"
Make it read "an electric motor or a gas motor (of 50cc and under)"

That's it... No need for all the rest of that mumbo jumbo.
 

Arnett Motor Bikes

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Just add to the current definition...
Instead of just...
"An electric helper motor"
Make it read "an electric motor or a gas motor (of 50cc and under)"

That's it... No need for all the rest of that mumbo jumbo.
Due to all the good feedback I received. I have revised the definition I am purposing. Check it out and let me know what you think.
 

anim8r

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How many signatures do you need?

I noticed some typos & murky language in the petition....if you want, I can clear it up for you. I used to do this kind of thing for a living. No charge. Send me a private message if you're interested.

Best of luck with all this.
 

Arnett Motor Bikes

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How many signatures do you need?

I noticed some typos & murky language in the petition....if you want, I can clear it up for you. I used to do this kind of thing for a living. No charge. Send me a private message if you're interested.

Best of luck with all this.
I would be happy for the help. Thank you for offering, I just recently made a few changes to the proposed definition due to other positive feedback. If you would like to take a look at the new changes and then get back with me and I can get the new changes inputed. As far as the signatures, not sure on how many. I thought I would just try to get as many as I can before I made the appointment with my state rep to go to the capital. Currently I am contacting my local newspaper who helped me run the story. If just any one person from this website were to just tell ten people to sign then it should spread like wild fire. Thanks again for the help.