Only for those with over 1000 miles

CR500AF said:

easy 1000km + i don't know about miles but my gussing mixture would be from 40-20 - 1 its not bad but good.

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Just get on and ride it another 400 miles this weekend and if its still together, well....then tell us what you used to reach that 1000 mile milestone. Don't feel bad though because I will have to put on 700 miles on my bike before I get to offer my own 2 cents in my own thread.LOL

This thread was created not to alienate anyone..it was created for the high milage guys to share what they have done right so the thread becomes more about proven test results using these specific china engines rather then untested opinions on these specific engines.

What I had hoped for this thread that would be different then the other 10,000 threads on this subject is to weed out all the untested and unproven opinions. A new guy will only find confusion in those threads where everybody and anybody will tell you what works best. In my opinion, if you want to know what works best...then get all the "high mileage" guys together in one thread and lets us "low mileage" guys read what those guys are doing right to stretch alot of miles out of these HT China engines.

The poll has actually worked out pretty well and it appears from the results thus far that a conventional mix in the 32:1 to 40:1 range is a real popular mix that has worked out well to achieve high mileage. Of course it would be nice to know exactly what conventional 2 stroke oils were the most popular among those who are in that category of the poll.

It also appears that syn and other high performance oils are real popular in the 50:1 to 100:1 range. What is nice to see in my opionion is that there are several that have gotten alot of miles running 75:1 to 100:1. These ratios seem to make alot of guys timid, but there are guys here that are proof that engine can be quite happy running those ratios using a high performance oil suited to be mixed at those ratios.

Of course there are alot of factors the poll can't tell you. For example, it can't tell you what oil was used to break the engine in or how the engine was worked while breakin it in. There are 10000 different opinions for break-in and maybe the next poll should be "How did you guys with 1000 miles or more break in your engine"? As you can tell...I am really interested in the picking the brains of you "high mileage" guys.LOL

Bikeguy Joe said:

The above post, and CR500's should only go to prove that as crappy as the chinese engine is reputed to be, it's not.

Crude? yes. But like a lot of crude things, it will just keep going and going and going and......

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Not trying to stick up for the Chineese lack of quality control or there lack of precision machine work ,but it has been my experience over many years of buying 2 stroke model airplane engines that they do continue to improve in quality given enough time and enough negative feedback.
I can remember some of the early China Tiger Shark engines and Magnum engines I bought several years ago that were pretty crudely made when compared to the high quality Japaneese O.S engines or even the Italian Super Tigres or American Fox engines. Now...some of the nicest running engines I own are some of the SK engines which are made by the same folks who previously made Tiger Shark and Magnum engines I own that were made in China. The machine work has come a long way and dependabillity and consistancy in production has gone way up. I think you will see the same thing happen with these Happy Time engines as time goes by. They will figure out the weak spots and improve those weak areas.

It is my opinion that when Americans or Japaneese build something...they try to catch the flaws at the door before it goes out into the public. The Chineese basicly use the buyer as there testing subjects or guinee pigs, which can really annoy the buyer if he or she happens to get one of there defective paper weights. However...the guinee pigs do serve there purpose because the chineese will improve there product over time based on feedback from the guinee pigs.

So one day when these engines are well constructed units that run like a swiss watch(maybe that is too much to hope for) we can thank all those guinee pigs who bought those early engines that needed to be improved upon. They will just continue to get better and better at the expense of annoyed customers so long as there is a market for them. I think you are probably starting to see some of that now with the some of the 2nd gen engines reported to have better bearings, better porting and more aftermarket options comming all the time to help improve dependabillity and performance.

In my opinion the HT engine will only get better as time goes by with more options and mods available as the engine and motor bicycling in general becomes more popular.

After another 500 trips to the Post Office I will get to do the poll and report my findings using my mix!LOL Sure running sweet now. Just hope she keeps it up so I can join the 1000 and over club.