50cc or 66? (80)

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50 or 80cc. Would you want an American produced engine kit?

  • 50cc

    Votes: 11 21.2%
  • 80cc

    Votes: 24 46.2%
  • yes, I would prefer an American made kit.

    Votes: 34 65.4%
  • No, I like the inexpensive China kits.

    Votes: 6 11.5%
  • I hate polls.

    Votes: 6 11.5%
  • all of the above.

    Votes: 5 9.6%

  • Total voters
    52

Dan

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Wondering what folks prefer. 50 or the 80cc?

Would you be interested in one made in America even if it cost more?

Choose all that apply and any thoughts you have.
 
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biknut

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Because of legal considerations I prefer 50cc, but if authority's end up treating 50s and
80s the same that might change. That being said I already feel my 48cc is dangerously close to being over powered.

I would be willing to pay more for American made if there's a clear advantage in quality or design.
 

chainmaker

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An American made kit? Sure.. That being said Id pay a bit more I suppose, The HT look would still have to be there though. I think an actual "kit" where you get a block, crank,piston etc.. would be pretty cool. Assembling these motors is where a US company would get killed.Labor..Labor..Labor.. It would appeal to Us tinkerers, and keep prices down.

Cheers
 

corgi1

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I think I would like to see a list of motors nade in Japan and their sites before the final decision,and any other countrys also.
4 stroke is prefered,but other options need to be checked out
 

bairdco

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i've only run the "80" cc kits, and i've got some pretty amazing performance gains out of them. i'd like to do a 50cc motor, just to see how much i can tweak it. if i ever make it to bonneville, i'd like to run in the 50cc class, as anything above that would be impossible to set any kind of record with an HT, compared to what everyone else is running (unless they had a seperate motorized bicycle class, which they don't...)

from experience, i know the cheap china kit can survive a lot more than most people think, as the ones i've heavily modified are all still running strong (the newest one's only got a few months on it, so only time will tell how that monster holds up.)

i'd love to see an american made motor based on the HT, or even a motor based on older technology, with pushrods and all the cool stuff antique motorcycles have, but i don't think it's gonna happen due to the cost, at least not on a large production level.

i think the problem lies with the economy, and the american public's spending habits in general. seems like the majority of people have the attitude of "why pay more" when it comes to these bikes. as the most common bike to motorize costs less than the entire motor kit, those same people can't justify in their minds (or wallets) paying 3 times more for an engine.

on the same token, those same people argue, "why should i pay more for a quality (or custom) bicycle when it's just gonna have a cheap engine kit on it?"

i think that attitude is the biggest setback for the entire motorbike "industry."

the few people making custom parts are often knocked down by people who think because the motor kit is so inexpensive, every other part should be, too. gas tanks and expansion chambers are a perfect example. just because it's being made for a bicycle, doesn't mean it's any less work. look at prices for custom motorcycle tanks and aftermarket dirtbike (or moped) exhausts. the same process goes into building them, and the price reflects that.

another thing to consider with an american built engine, are the parts that go with it. one of the reasons the chinese kits are so cheap, is because of the quality (or lack thereof) of the components. the generic throttles, grips, levers, chains, gaskets, etc, are the cheapest quality available, mass produced and poorly designed.

if all those things were upgraded in an american kit, it would be triple the cost of the motor alone. i have a throttle on my bike that sells for $100+. i lucked out and scored it for much, much less, but it's an example of what things actually cost.

obviously, i've put a lot of thought into this, and i believe the motor isn't where the problems lie, it's in the quality of everything else. on my current bike, the only thing left of the kit is most of the engine and some of the exhaust pipe.

at this stage of the motor bike "fad," i think we need more quality aftermarket parts, which are slowly coming along, as well as a change in attitude as to what we're hoping to accomplish as these bikes gain popularity.

my honest opinion/prediction, is if the current attitude of these bikes being "cheap toys" prevails, motorized bicycles are doomed to be the next go-ped or pocket bike. i see more and more cheaply made bikes on craigslist as people grow tired of them, and then selling them for a loss. and then the next ad is a fly-by-night company with cheap bikes trying to make a buck off them.

sorry, didn't mean to turn this into a soapbox, but that's the way i feel about it...
 
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biknut

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sorry, didn't mean to turn this into a soapbox, but that's the way i feel about it...
You make a lot of good points, and your passion shows. I too hear people refer to my motor bicycle as a toy, but every chance I get I show them it's a lot more than just a toy. Wait till crazy high gas prices meet drastically devalued dollars and we'll see what happens next. I don't think we'll waiting too long to find out. The day of the motor bicycle in America is almost here.
 

Dave31

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I predict within a year someone will develop and produce a 2-stroke bicycle engine right here in the good old U.S.A. and you will have the freedom to ride with the wind. ;)
 

corgi1

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I'm still wondering (thinking)Two 23-25 cc weed wackers plate mounted togeather and cranks chain geared togeather(one with the piston at the top fireing while the other is at the bottom of the stroke,in effect an oposing two cylinder motor).
They could operate independently ,but be assisting the other,separate carb and crankcase systems,linked through a chain.
 

biknut

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I'd be real surprised if we see an American made anytime soon. We can't get past the government regulations, taxes, and insurance. Then there's the cheap Chinese prices. Even if you forget about the cheap Chinese prices , how likely is it that we could compete with Italy?
 

Venice Motor Bikes

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50cc HT engines are often just as fast on the flats & run way smoother than the 80cc engines. The real difference between them becomes very clear when they both start going up a hill; (the 50cc starts falling way behind!) :rolleyes:

As far as American made engines go?, I would love to use them on my personal bikes! but I don't know if it would be a wise choice to put them on my bikes for sale, because most people who buy these things always seem to be short on cash. :(
 

BarelyAWake

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I find the poll results really interesting...

If so many are truly interested in a quality motor, "even if it cost more" - then why are the Morinis such a terribly rare choice?

Like it or not, any engine alternative "made in america" will cost equal to, or more likely - a lot more than the readily available & mass produced Morini, which even has a parts and support network in place.

Don't get me wrong, I wholeheartedly support innovation and ingenuity... but the fact remains you're targeting a niche market with an apparent price cap of 3-600 dollars at most for a brand new engine design, including all of the R&D and support...
 

flybytaco

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barely the morinis are a great choice but nobody wants to pay 650. also morinis are huge i wish i could get morini performance out of an ht sized package. I dont think i would buy an american made either. With 200 bucks you can make a std chineese ht rip and be smooth. as for the 50cc ht no thanks i can def say they run smoother but sure aint keeping up to my stock 68.5's
 

matthurd

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I find the poll results really interesting...

If so many are truly interested in a quality motor, "even if it cost more" - then why are the Morinis such a terribly rare choice?

Like it or not, any engine alternative "made in america" will cost equal to, or more likely - a lot more than the readily available & mass produced Morini, which even has a parts and support network in place.

Don't get me wrong, I wholeheartedly support innovation and ingenuity... but the fact remains you're targeting a niche market with an apparent price cap of 3-600 dollars at most for a brand new engine design, including all of the R&D and support...

morinis are all about performance as far as i can tell. i want similar performance to chinese kits in terms of speed, and similar dependability in comparison to a morini.

as far as pricing i paid $140 for a grubee kit with out shipping. i would be willing to pay about twice that for an american made kit even if it meant i had too assemble it myself like someone else mentioned, as long as they provided good instruction manuals with em.
 

earl.k

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i would be happy to just be able to buy more US made parts. kits with all new US made parts and replacements or something:) i like my cheep china motor, but when it starts crapping out in me. id like to give it some new solid made parts.

i would also buy a US made kit. -
 

LS614

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Did anyone notice Dave's comment? I think he's up to something. Can I be one of your testers Dave? Take me to your leader rotfl
 

flybytaco

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i would be happy to just be able to buy more US made parts. kits with all new US made parts and replacements or something:) i like my cheep china motor, but when it starts crapping out in me. id like to give it some new solid made parts.

i would also buy a US made kit. -
Here is what i wish could happen. american repop of good quality crankshafts and any other spinning components