Whats the difference?

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  1. Patr1ck

    Patr1ck New Member

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    What is the difference between a muffler and a silencer and why would you need both?

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    Pat
     
  2. bairdco

    bairdco a guy who makes cool bikes

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    two words meaning the same thing. you can call the whole system the "exhaust," but a muffler or a silencer is just the piece that actually muffles or silences.

    and actually, the only way to "silence" an exhaust system is to turn it off.
     
  3. jauguston

    jauguston New Member

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    A muffler or a silencer is what you put on the end of a tuned pipe so your noise doesn't give all motor bicyclers a bad name.

    Jim
     
  4. tim turbo

    tim turbo Member

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    I,m in total agreement, jauguston the quieter the better,and that takes me back to an early question about the tuner pipe,is it louder than the stock muffler? Nobody has really adressed that question!.trk
     
  5. BarelyAWake

    BarelyAWake New Member

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    Well a "tuned pipe" itself doesn't muffle or silence at all so it would depend entirely on w/e muffler it came with or you stuck on it - but to answer your question anyway, even if you stuck the stock kit muffler on an expansion chamber/tuned pipe it would be slightly louder (but really, only slightly) as the larger chamber (usually with thinner walls, but not always) resonates.

    The trick of it is ofc to get a full length exhaust system and add/modify a silencer to suit. This not only quiets the noise considerably but puts most of it behind you as well, resulting in a far more comfortable ride. Problem is, most expansion chamber exhaust systems don't have much in the way of a silencer - if any at all. You wouldn't actually wanna stick the kit muffler on it because it's either a baffle style or a catalytic - both restrict flow to quiet the bang.

    Some expansion chambers come with a glasspack silencer which, while not known for being the best at sound deadening - aren't restrictive in any way, but for our application & pipes available they tend to be a touch on the small side and aren't as effective as they could be. While some have taken a small lawn mower/utility engine muffler and stuck it on the end - we're back to restricting flow.

    Glasspack muffler/silencer;
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    One of the advantages of a glasspack is it's quite easy to modify, the SBP expansion chamber comes with a lil glasspack on the end, it's simply a matter of drilling out four rivets, extending the inner mesh tube (heavy steel window screen works quite well), wrapping it in fiberglass (either the mat usually used for epoxy construction, or even house insulation if the screen is fine enough) and making a new outer housing out of 2" OD aluminum conduit, then poppin' four rivets back in again.

    My homemade/modified glasspack is about 3x longer than the original and is now actually a bit quieter than the stock kit muffler (a LOT quieter for the rider as it's behind ya);

    [​IMG]

    The only disadvantage to a glasspack is it will slowly load up with unburned oil & carbon and be reduced in effectiveness - so (depending on your mix) a repack once a season is needful if you wish to remain as quiet as possible ;)
     
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  6. silverbear

    silverbear The Boy Who Never Grew Up

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    Nice post, Barely.
    SB
     
  7. Pablo

    Pablo Master Bike Builder & Forum Sponsor

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    Yes - excellent post. They are basically the same thing but different. Right or wrong in the vernacular of bike tuned pipes a "silencer" is what comes with a tuned pipe and as indicated aren't restrictive as they are packed, not baffled. We refer to anything after that as a "muffler" to distinguish it from the silencer. And in fact our muffler is a baffled device and does really cut down of the nasty 2T noise. Strange that it does not seem to effect performance, possibly because it is so far downstream at that point.
     
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  8. Patr1ck

    Patr1ck New Member

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    Nice post. Thanks Barely.

    Pat
     

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