Verbage question

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  1. Tom in Kingman

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    Just to be sure that I understand what the manual is saying. My 48cc Skyhawk book calls for 16/20:1 gas to oil for the first 4 tanks. After that they say 20/25:1 gas to oil. Seems pretty straightforward. Then it says "In hot climates or long trips use a rich oil mixture". I have always equated a "rich" mixture to mean more gas than the air would handle. Simply put "do they mean more like 16/20:1 as in break in or 25+:1 ratio." It gets pretty hot here in AZ. and I don't want to cook my new toy. Thanks.
     
  2. MotorBicycleRacing

    MotorBicycleRacing Well-Known Member

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    There is no such word as verbage and the manual is incorrect.
    Throw the manual away....... 32 to 1 is enough oil for these motors in hot climates.
     
  3. Desert Rat

    Desert Rat New Member

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    He just misspelled :)
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/verbiage
    I agree that with the cooler weather here 32 to 1 should be just fine although
    it wouldn't hurt it to run your first gallon at 24 to 1
     
  4. KCvale

    KCvale Well-Known Member

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    I run 'em 25:1 (2/3 cup:gal) of non-synthetic 2-stroke oil for the 1st gallon, then 32:1 (1/2 cup:gal) of synthetic from then on.

    What will get you here in the heat is trying to ride too long without a break, unlike a 4-stroke you can start in the morning and run all day, a 2-stroke should get a rest every couple of hours when it's 100+ out.
     
  5. Dave31

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    I ride my 2-stroke in 100+ and I never "rest" my motor?
     
  6. Dan

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    Tom, I wouldn't worry to much either. I tried to fry an engine during a heat wave just to see what would fail. Nothing did. A proper ratio will be less of a problem, me thinks.

    Years back that was a big concern. Over heating, but I never had a problem or read/heard of any one actually frying any thing.

    "Verbage" is one of my favorite words! Sounds like a comedic word for food for the brain, lol.
     
  7. KCvale

    KCvale Well-Known Member

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    Heck I've never even went on a 2 hour wide open ride, all I know is I had a customer a couple years back that road hard 2 hours twice a day 5 days a week and when it got summer hot he toasted the 66cc 2-stroke.
     
  8. maniac57

    maniac57 Old, Fat, and still faster than you

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    If your engine is not jetted too lean, it will happily run all day long. I don't run wide open more than a few seconds but I ride hours and hours without stopping for anything but fuel regularly.
    Just don't scream it's guts out and your engine has no duty cycle.
     
  9. Tom in Kingman

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    So gentlemen, may I conclude that 25:1 is a good ratio to go with from now on?
     
  10. scotto-

    scotto- Custom 4-Stroke Bike Builder

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    Personally I wouldn't run any richer than 32:1 in a broken-in china girl.....40:1 would be about right for these engines......synthetic or not.

    25:1 is a smokey, oily mess for the most part. Just my opinion.
     

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