First Build - Huasheng 50cc - Questions...

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benisai

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Just finished a build with a 50cc Huasheng and a Grubee Stage III gear box, on a Schwinn Point Beach.

The engine dies when I slow down or stop with the gear box engaged. Is this normal? Does it cause damage when this happens?

Also, in regards to engine break-in, how long should that take? Are they supposed to run better or have more power after the break-in?

Thanks .xx.
 
Have you adjusted the idle screw? Did you use some old gas that you had around the house or new gas? I haven't noticed much of a difference after break in, about 200 miles. It shouldn't hurt the engine or gear box for it to die, just a pain to restart all the time. I have had one give me problems to idle. It turned out to be the gas after I had adjusted the idle screw for a couple of hours. Let us know how it goes.
 
I've taken the idle screw up pretty high, but it's doing the same thing. Also, I used new gas (premium).

So, are these things supposed to be able to leave the gear box engaged all the time without it dying? That'd be nice -- right now I'm having to engage, disengage, engage, disengage...
 
As long as the engine is idling low enough that the clutch is not engaging, yes. You should be able to leave the gear box engaged all of the time. It could be idling too high. Most of mine have been in a sweet spot about 2 turns counterclockwise from full closed, which is all the way clockwise. It is different for different elevations and temperatures.
 
Yep, too high and idle is more of a problem than too low.

Also, the clutch is a little grabby when new, so some break in may help. I have not disengaged my gearbox for over a year. I have even removed the handle.
 
I doubt it. Probably just a little tweaking is needed. Do you have a way to raise the rear tire off the ground and keep your hands free? If you do, crank the engine and start turning the idle screw counter clockwise until your rear tire stops turning but the engine keeps running. This will get you close to where you need to be.
 
Good idea -- I'll do that as soon as I get home. Thanks.
Would it have anything to do with the mixture screw?
What else could be tweaked besides the idle and mixture?
 
Thanks for the info, guys. Last night I adjusted the idle by getting the rear wheel off the ground. I backed out the mixture screw about 1/4 turn as well. I believe the combo of adjusting the idle & mixture really helped with stopping with the gearbox engaged. I rode through town here and it didn't die on me once! Now I just need my bottom bracket conversion kit to come in and I'll be set -- it's taking forever for them to ship that to me! I have a pretty steep hill on the way back to my house -- I do live on Hill Street after all!
 
had the same problem with a Honda GX50. After it broke in a bit, problem went away by it self. I did nothing, it just stopped.

Love the PBs! The front fender really does need removal or shoring up. The bracket holding the rear fender falls apart too, but takes much longer. My PB is on its 3rd engine! Amazing for a cheapie bike.

Pic 3 is of a bent seat post 2Door made for me. Makes a world of difference! So much better to ride. Can get em cheap and really makes for a better ride. That one is a solid piece.

Thanks again Tom!! Think about you every time I ride the backup MB with out it. .shft.
 

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Currently...I live in Western Arizona...but the with economy having gone bad here...still have a job...but can't stand the heat anymore or the job. Will be relocating to the Twin Falls area in Southern Idaho in about 3 months to ride out the economy with nicer people and a better climate.

Been thinking about getting a used or new bike and putting either a 2 or 4 stroke engine on it for a while. After doing research off & on for a while...am thinking about getting a Huasheng 4-stroke 50cc kit for about $400 or the Honda 4-stroke for about $50 more. Don't want to be limited by the fuel and weight limitations of a 2 stroke.

With a 94 import that the wheels are ready to fall off of...want to have something I can get around Idaho with when the wheels actually do fall off. If the car decides to give up its ghost before I can get to Idaho...would have to ride it here in Arizona/Nevada area as well. My buddy suggests just getting a 50cc scooter or a small bike. (Funds are tight with the saving for the move...so getting something full-sized is almost out the question & a car would cost me as much or more than a full-sized bike or scooter.) Told me he doesn't see me on a bicycle...but on a scooter or bike. Want to make sure I have transportation to get around.

Do have winter gear to ride...since I used to ride full-sized bikes (180-650 cc). Other than icy roads...anything anyone would suggest??? Do have an "M" endorsement on the license. Anything I need to watch out for with any strange regulations in Idaho/Arizona/Nevada?

Thanks...
 
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Howdy Phoobar. for strictly transportation, 4 stroke or scooter/MC would be what I would advice for the reliability. If you look at a MB and do not think "I want that" and it is a just a logic thing, a second hand scooter is around the same $ and has lights, horn and suspension built in. The fun part of a MB is the building, ridding, tinkering and the "cool factor" But may not be the best choice as the primary mode of transpertation although it is for many. If you do go the MB route, tires with studs are commercially available for winter ridding. The one logical advantage of a 4 stroke MB is 175/200 MPG.

Please post what you decide. I am always curious.
 
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Howdy Phoobar. for strictly transportation, 4 stroke or scooter/MC would be what I would advice for the reliability.
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With not having to mix the gas/oil...just having to pull up to the pump & filling up for about $1.50 or so will have me getting some perplexed looks..shft.

If you look at a MB and do not think "I want that" and it is a just a logic thing, a second hand scooter is around the same $ and has lights, horn and suspension built in.
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Have been seeing a few...less than a handfull...riding around here. For instance...about 2 blocks from my house about 3 weeks ago...saw this lady riding an electric assist bike. (Took me a few moments to figure out why she was going down the road without pedaling.) Followed her for several blocks in the car & even wanted to stop her to ask how she liked it. Remember thinking...WOW I finally saw an electric bike on the roads around here & if she can get around on 1 of those...why not me? Being that the town where I live has a HUGE red dot for sex offenders & is a major drug hub...didn't think it was the smart thing to do.

The fun part of a MB is the building, ridding, tinkering and the "cool factor" But may not be the best choice as the primary mode of transpertation although it is for many. If you do go the MB route, tires with studs are commercially available for winter ridding. The one logical advantage of a 4 stroke MB is 175/200 MPG.
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Plus...with gas about 75 cents higher than out where I'm at in Western Arizona...that certainly is a consideration. Won't a MB get about the same gas mileage as the same size scooter? With me weighing in at about 300 Lbs...it's going to be the same issue with a 49cc MB and a 49cc scooter isn't it? As long as I can travel between 25-40 miles an hour...that's better than the 1-2 on foot.

With my price range...$500 or less for a new kit is better than $3000 for a new 125-180cc scooter. The bigger sizes may be a consideration in the future. Right now...just thinking about what to do with less money & a need to have transportation.

Please post what you decide. I am always curious.
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It's going to be something I think hard & long about...especially since I'm trying to save as much as I can for the move. Being there's not much in terms of public transportation in Twin Falls...it may just be the only thing to do...especially if my back is against the wall with the wheels falling off the car. Think the thing which is most important to me is if I get either a MB or a scooter...that's wear & tear that my car won't be getting. Can still get around town or between towns in Idaho & still have a car when it gets really bad. Plus...my buddy will have his car for going to the store & such.

As for bikes...will a single speed cruiser be enough to get started with. Something to get going for about $100 new or a used bike? Being I wear a size 12D shoe...if I can fit my foot comfortably into the frame...I shouldn't have any problems with a frame mount should I?

Thanks for all the help.
 
Your very welcome. The only thing I can figure why there is such a fuel economy difference between scooters and MBs is the CVT. I really dunno and hope some one will advise both of us. Have a buddy with one who gets 83 MPG and is a 50cc. Again, I really dunno if this is even avg.

I have been looking at this bike; Walmart.com: 26" Schwinn Landmark Men's Cruiser Bike: Bikes, Scooters & Skates Looks perfect. (I have built 3 wally world MBs and for the price, they are great!) But have not used this one yet. Here is a link to one builders review; Walmart.com: 26" Schwinn Landmark Men's Cruiser Bike: Bikes, Scooters & Skates In reading that, I am going to buy one. Steel is a good thing, not that I mind alum at all, just is a better option. 2 strokes fit more easily and I find they "feel" better 2 ride. Also can get lucky at thrift stores and yard sales. (but then would need to tune up the bike b4 fitting any engine) Lots of options. One of the coolest feelings I have ever had was the first time I rode the MB, I had assembled. No kidding it was a great high. Alls I really did was assemble a kit but man what a rush buzzing down the st was! When you get a chance, check out "I love getting that look" thread. These crazy lil wonders are addicting, fun, functional, economical, an art form and educational. Absolutely, the most engaging hobbie/obsession I have found. I did not mean to dissuade you by mentioning scooters. Many folks talk about getting a "real MC" or a "real moped" and that would be a better option for some. I just have a thing for "Real MBs"

All just my HO. so might need a few grains of salt. Did you check out the pics yet? Some amazing builds. Also, take a gander at vid linked in my sig. (LOL, took me 2 days to make that vid and still needs work)

Keep posting!
 
OH! this is 2 funny! While getting gas, an SUV was waiting for my pump. Driver was staring at me with impatient eyes. I finished up, got on and called over to him; "Dang, I put a dollar in last week" His Lordship was not amused but I was and that's always my goal, snork. I look forward to pulling up to the pump. Is always fun. Most folks are interested and ask the usual questions.
 
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Your very welcome. The only thing I can figure why there is such a fuel economy difference between scooters and MBs is the CVT. I really dunno and hope some one will advise both of us. Have a buddy with one who gets 83 MPG and is a 50cc. Again, I really dunno if this is even avg.
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Anything less than a Hummer is fine with me.;)

I have been looking at this bike; Walmart.com: 26" Schwinn Landmark Men's Cruiser Bike: Bikes, Scooters & Skates Looks perfect.
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Was doing the same thing & even read the reviews on the 66cc builds for this.

Had actually passed a yard sale earlier. They had a 15 or 21 speed road bike for $7. Looking it over...wasn't worth it to me to even bother with. More work than I would ever want to do with just getting the bike up to speed for the 4 stroke. Was rusted out all over...even the rims.

(I have built 3 wally world MBs and for the price, they are great!) But have not used this one yet. Here is a link to one builders review; Walmart.com: 26" Schwinn Landmark Men's Cruiser Bike: Bikes, Scooters & Skates In reading that, I am going to buy one.
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Am happy to hear that someone like yourself would get one of these. That makes my choice so much easier. Do have a funny question for you. Would there be any way to put a banana seat & sissy bar on one of these for that retro look & feel & still have no problem with the chain drive? That fat/bald Dennis Hopper look is doing great things for me.;)

Steel is a good thing, not that I mind alum at all, just is a better option. 2 strokes fit more easily and I find they "feel" better 2 ride. Also can get lucky at thrift stores and yard sales. (but then would need to tune up the bike b4 fitting any engine) Lots of options.
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Around here with the casinos & all the DUI's (Nevada sells booze 24/7)...all the pawn shops have bikes for sale.

One of the coolest feelings I have ever had was the first time I rode the MB, I had assembled. No kidding it was a great high. Alls I really did was assemble a kit but man what a rush buzzing down the st was! When you get a chance, check out "I love getting that look" thread. These crazy lil wonders are addicting, fun, functional, economical, an art form and educational. Absolutely, the most engaging hobbie/obsession I have found. I did not mean to dissuade you by mentioning scooters. Many folks talk about getting a "real MC" or a "real moped" and that would be a better option for some. I just have a thing for "Real MBs"
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Not at all. Gotta look at every option available to me. Have read the posts on getting the bike itself ready for the engine...such as zip tying the spokes & such. Any suggestions on what to do with this Schwinn to prep it for the power? Would an aftermarket rim be a possibility?

All just my HO. so might need a few grains of salt. Did you check out the pics yet? Some amazing builds. Also, take a gander at vid linked in my sig. (LOL, took me 2 days to make that vid and still needs work)

Keep posting!
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Saw it the other night. I am impressed. Was over on You Tube as well & saw this builder from Alabama who takes his MB all over the nation. He was bragging on going from there to Denver on $12.
 
HARRR! lol, your mention of Denis Hopper. Your a MBer. (the few, the proud, the half a bubble off plumb) I fantasize of doing a cross country MB ride with Hopper, Jack Kerouac, Hunter S. Thompson and Robert M. Pirsig (on the road and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquiry into Values)

The banana seat and sissy bar, big time not a problem. Can get em cheap and any where. I googled it and there is a ton. If I remember right, the sissy bar/seat stays are outside the chain stays and would not be a problem at all.

Thats the really cool part of this crazy. You are the custom builder. Both vendor and end consumer. Build some thing awesome and post lots of pics!

Really is a Zen, tinker, functional art gig. Cheaper then golf and you can ride 'em home. snork


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HARRR! lol, your mention of Denis Hopper. Your a MBer. (the few, the proud, the half a bubble off plumb) I fantasize of doing a cross country MB ride with Hopper, Jack Kerouac, Hunter S. Thompson and Robert M. Pirsig (on the road and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquiry into Values)
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The only thing which would alarm me is getting wacked by some crazies along a quiet stretch of highway.;)

The banana seat and sissy bar, big time not a problem. Can get em cheap and any where. I googled it and there is a ton. If I remember right, the sissy bar/seat stays are outside the chain stays and would not be a problem at all.
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Guess having some foot pegs might be overdoing it a touch..trk

Thats the really cool part of this crazy. You are the custom builder. Both vendor and end consumer. Build some thing awesome and post lots of pics!

Really is a Zen, tinker, functional art gig. Cheaper then golf and you can ride 'em home. snork
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Want to go for my comfort above anything else. The only bad thing is not being able to mount my mattress on the frame.;)

BTW...anyone sell a locking gas cap for an MB gas tank? Not sure if this would be something I can pick up at an auto parts store or need to special order.

Something which doesn't make sense to me...is there a problem with heat from the block burning you while you ride? Used to ride MC's & the #1 lesson you learn is never get any part of your body close to a hot block. Buddy of mine burned off several top layers of skin riding his 1500cc chopper by wearing cut-offs.
 
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