Wizard 4 Stroke

[BillyB]

Does anyone have any experience with the Wizard 4 stroke Bicycle Engine Kit that FiveFlagsMotorbikes is selling?

In my quest to build a Motorized bicycle, I have gone from looking at the Whizzers (which are too heavy for my taste), to a Chinese 2 stroke (which pollute too much for me to claim to be "Green"), and I am now looking at the Wizard 4 stroke.

Primarily because it's the only frame mounted 4 stroke kit that I can find.

Is anyone running one of these?

How fast have you been able to go on it?

What kind of bike did you build it on?

Is it my imagination, or all 4 strokes pull start?

[jasonh]

SpookyTooth had a 2-stroke emissions tested in AZ and it passed just fine. I don't think they really pollute all that much.

[BillyB]

Originally Posted by jasonh

SpookyTooth had a 2-stroke emissions tested in AZ and it passed just fine. I don't think they really pollute all that much.

I posted this on another thread comparing 4 strokes to 2 strokes:

A typical 2 stroke marine engine only burns 70% of the fuel it uses as compared to up to 97% on a 4 stroke.

Click here for source

Click here for the discussion of 4 stroke vs. 2 stroke.

[jasonh]

Well I haven't found anything directly from the EPA yet about that, all I can find are a few omg2strokesarekillingtheplanet websites...but I will agree they do pollute more than a 4-stroke. But considering I can go 120-130mi on one gallon of gas on the bike compared to 21mi in my car, I think that is still something to be considered.

Anyway, I did stumble on this article Green Earth Technologies’ New Petroleum-Free, No Smoke, 2-Cycle Green Engine Oil Now Available about a company making bio-based 2-stroke oils that can reduce emissions. The companies website is here: Green Earth Technologies’ New Petroleum-Free, No Smoke, 2-Cycle Green Engine Oil Now Available

I think I might see if I can get ahold of some and see how it works out.

[Dave31]

I moved this thread to the Wizzard forum....wizzard guys/gals should find it easier.

[jasonh]

Fair, this isn't a Whizzer motor. It's just branded the "wizard." I think it's that HS engine, whatever it's called.

[Dave31]

Originally Posted by jasonh

Fair, this isn't a Whizzer motor. It's just branded the "wizard." I think it's that HS engine, whatever it's called.

My bad it's been a very busy day today

[BillyB]

Originally Posted by fairracing31

My bad it's been a very busy day today

They seemed to have named it something familiar sounding on purpose.

The only hits I get on it when searching these boards (or even Google) is people confusing it for Whizzer - I can't find any reviews.

They seem to use the same picture for it on Grubee Inc. as they do on FiveFlags. This is it here (on the left):

[BillyB]

Originally Posted by Bikeguy Joe

All I have heard about the wizzard is to run away screaming as fast as you can.

I've only been reading these boards for a week or so, but it seems to me it's just a 4 stroke version of the 2 stroke China Doll's: Results may vary.

At $325, I don't expect it to be as good as a Honda or Subaru engine. But for half the price, and for my first kit - I might be willing to take that chance.

Can you recommend any other 4 stroke, frame mount kits?

[HoughMade]

If the gearbox pictured on the site is the one they are selling, that's the good one- the Grubee Skyhawk II. I have that gearbox- works well. The engine is usually a clone of a Honda GXH50 manufactured by Huasheng in China. It is a bit less powerful than the Honda, but many people have reported good reliability. I have the Honda, so I don't know personally.

While the engines are the same, the gearbox to avoid is the JL Hoot which looks like a number "8" on its side. The picture they have is not that gearbox. The Grubee is roughly oval, not "8" shaped and that is what they show.