Sour Grapes

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Michigan Mike

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Actually, I should entitle this thread "No Grapes". My grape vine is yet to have a single grape on it. It's been growing great for years. Nice, long vines spreading every where ... down the fence and even up in the nearby pine trees when I let it. But not one grape.

Clearly I don't have a "purple thumb". Anybody know what to do so I can keep my promise to my backyard birds and critters? :confused:
 

deacon

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I have no idea I kill weeds accidentally so I can't help... Maybe you need bees. or to have the soil tested for plutonium
 

happyvalley

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Hey Mike

It's good to let the vines flourish for the first year or so but they need to be pruned. From what you said about the vines growing out long not sure if you've been cutting them. It takes several seasons to really establish good fruit growing vines, a bit of attention to their care and a lot of patience to have them produce very well.

Here's a rough outline from a file I've had for a while and of course there is a ton of info available online and in gardening books if you're interested. After getting the vines off on the right foot so to speak it becomes easier. We harvest well over a 100 lbs most years.

hth

Allow the grape vine to grow any-which-way the first year it is in the ground. Having abundant stems and leaves will help develop a strong root system on immature grape vines. No pruning at all for the first year.

Select the strongest and most vigorous-looking stem during the winter of the first year. Using bypass pruners, remove all the other stems at the base of the plant or as close to the trunk on the main stem as possible. Stake the remaining stem which will become the trunk of the plant. Use a grape stake or secure the vine along a fence with wire.

Allow stems to grow from the main trunk. In the spring of the second year, begin removing all but two of the very best side shoots that grow from the trunk. If the vine isn't branching where you want it too, pinch the top of the main trunk to encourage side branching.

Cut back the top of the trunk during midsummer of the second year, when the vine reaches the desired height. The process of tip pruning will force new growth along the main trunk. Remove any new branches that don't fit your plan.

Cut back all but the desired side branches and the main trunk during the second winter. What you have now is the basic frame for the plant - an upright stem with two sets of side branches.

Allow the vine to grow during the third spring and summer, removing anything that grows from the trunk. You want to retain the basic framework of the vine.

Leave 12 buds along each of the arms during the third winter. Pruning during the third winter is crucial to future fruit production. These 12 are the buds that will produce fruit during the 4th summer. Each of the 12 should have 1-2 leaf joints so that the vine looks like a stubby hat rack when you are finished pruning. These are called 'renewal buds' and will remain on the plant forever.

Prune the 12 renewal buds so that there is always one more bud growing from the tip. This practice will continue from the fourth winter onward. What you are doing is allowing the renewal buds to extend and grow one bud length every season. During the summer, the fruit develops on the new growth that springs from the renewal bud. Keeping them short during the dormant season keeps the plants under control.
 

Michigan Mike

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Hey Mike

It's good to let the vines flourish for the first year or so but they need to be pruned. From what you said about the vines growing out long not sure if you've been cutting them. It takes several seasons to really establish good fruit growing vines, a bit of attention to their care and a lot of patience to have them produce very well.

Here's a rough outline from a file I've had for a while and of course there is a ton of info available online and in gardening books if you're interested. After getting the vines off on the right foot so to speak it becomes easier. We harvest well over a 100 lbs most years.

hth
Happyvalley ... thanks much ... now I know why your valley is happy! I'll print out the info and hopefully get to use it soon.

Thanks to corgi too ... I've heard that before but then was told it wasn't necessary.?

Last but certainly not least ... Deacon, 2door& Kevlarr ... thanks for pointing me to the big pictue ... I knew I could count on you guys! If any of you'd like enough vines for some ivy pie just let me know. :p
 
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2door

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Mike,
Just talked to my wife, Char who is a 'master gardener'. She attended several years of gardening classes sponsored by the University of Colorado and actually is a 'Master Gardener'...her diploma says so. Her advice is almost word for word the same as Happyvalley's. She said not to expect much in the way of fruit production for three seasons. We tried a grape vine and it did produce some very tasty white grapes but we redesigned our back porch and the grapes were victims of expansion and we haven't tried them again. Good luck and I'll take a glass of your first Cabernet Sauvignon :)
Tom
 

Michigan Mike

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Mike,
Just talked to my wife, Char who is a 'master gardener'. She attended several years of gardening classes sponsored by the University of Colorado and actually is a 'Master Gardener'...her diploma says so. Her advice is almost word for word the same as Happyvalley's. She said not to expect much in the way of fruit production for three seasons. We tried a grape vine and it did produce some very tasty white grapes but we redesigned our back porch and the grapes were victims of expansion and we haven't tried them again. Good luck and I'll take a glass of your first Cabernet Sauvignon :)
Tom
Thanks Tom & Char.
Actually I'm ashamed to admit that I planted that grape vine more than 20 years ago! I always meant to get back to it ... honest! ... but ... well ... you know ... a man gets busy ... and then the next thing he knows all of a sudden it's 2010. But I always say it's never too late. Don't know if I can do CabernetSauvignon (or pronounce it) ... how about some nice Welchade instead?

Deacon ... if I can get the vines in the blender ... maybe!