Newbie Seeking Advice For First E-Bike Build

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Citrik

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Oct 30, 2012
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Hi everyone. I have been lurking for a couple of weeks now and finally decided that I want to try an e-bike. The information on this forum has been very helpful but I still was hoping to get some confirmation that I'm on the right path. I'd like to ride for leisure at first but eventually try e-biking as an alternative to costly motor vehicle use.

What I am looking for:
Moderate speed (~20 mph is fine)
Good range (20+ miles per charge, preferably maybe even 30+)
Good reliability

After researching, I have decided on the following components:
Bicycle: Trek 3500 Disc - http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/mountain/sport/3_series/3500_disc#
Motor Kit: Golden Motors Smart Pie - http://www.goldenmotor.ca/products/26-Inch-Rear-Smart-Pie-Conversion-Kit.html
USB Wire: GM USB Wire - http://www.goldenmotor.ca/products/...or-Internal-Controller-MP3-and-Smart-Pie.html
Battery: Ping 36V20AH - http://www.pingbattery.com/servlet/the-10/36V-20AH-LiFePO4-lithium/Detail

My questions are:
-Are the above components all I need to experience e-biking or am I missing some parts/accessories/tools that would be necessary or just good to have?
-Do I need a waterproof battery bag?
-Are there better choices as far as quality/reliability are concerned?
-Will my choices get me my goals of 20 mph and a 20-30 mile range?

I was also wondering if anyone knows of any accessories I could purchase to help me mount the battery and other component(s) in the "triangle" section of the bike, rather than on a rack on the rear.

Thanks for reading and thanks to everyone in advance for any assistance/advice.

-Citrik
 

paul

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i have a trek 3500d and real happy with it. with the smart pie you should get 20+ mile range real easy with a 20 amp battery
personally i would get 48v 10ah battery. the little bit of extra money is well worth it. mine does 24 mph on the flatsat 48v and the 36v you will get around 18mph
the triangle on the 3500d is kinda small and most batteries will not fit. at least the golden motor battery will not. what you plan to order will be all you need. any questions just ask. here is a link to my 3500 disk build with the magic pie http://motorbicycling.com/showthread.php?p=401020#post401020 and here it is with the smart pie http://motorbicycling.com/showthread.php?t=41915
 

KCvale

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I have only built a couple electrics and recently was looking at the hub motor kit you choose for a new trike build and once again went against going hub motor.

The max speed you will ever get is the max RPM the hub will turn at maximum power draw and it just goes down from there due to terrain, battery power left, and even a stiff head wind.

I am a die hard fan of the mechanical advantage you get with gears in the drive train be it gas or electric power so like my current personal ride I am going center mount attached to the pedal drive train to take advantage of the bikes gearing.



Here is a better shot of the meat and potatoes.



The key parts are the two freewheel sprockets, one on the motor, and one inside the Bottom Brackets pedal crank assembly.

If you just want to pedal without motor power the motors sprocket freewheels with no drag, if you just want motor power the pedals freewheel so you feet don't have to keep up, or you can use both at the same time all with the rear gears.

Granted my Caddy with a NuVinci CVT hub is a little over the top the principle is the same and the package will even fit on a tiny bike like this 7-speed Trek I build for 'height challenged' woman hehehe ;-}



Both can top 25MPH on flat ground yet still maintain 20 even up hill or with a head wind with a little pedal help.

Just food for thought from a guy that builds gas MB's for living and has high performance gas bikes always at hand yet prefers my Electric Caddy for my little local runs.

For reference this kits 37V 960W LiFePo battery sucks for range but everything else has been great and nothing bigger battery won't fix.



I really shouldn't mention this but my Caddy build with all new parts was under $1200 including that new Cadillac NuVinci shifting internal hub bicycle.
Don't expect to get out that cheap but even at $1500 including a good internal hub shifting geared bike to me simply can't beat as far as what you can get from electrics as in my experience they need it the most.

On a side note I am motorizing a 7-speed Kent trike right now the same way ;-}