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exavid

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In 1964 I had a Yamaha 50cc two stroke Sport Bike that could top 50mph. It had a 4 speed transmission which undoubtedly helped but the bike was considerably heavier than a bicycle build so it's definitely possible to get pretty high speeds out of a 50cc.
 

scottmanesis

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In 1964 I had a Yamaha 50cc two stroke Sport Bike that could top 50mph. It had a 4 speed transmission which undoubtedly helped but the bike was considerably heavier than a bicycle build so it's definitely possible to get pretty high speeds out of a 50cc.
No doubt. I know a slightly modified 2005 Yamaha Zuma scooter 50cc will do 42mph (according to GPS) with my at the time 230lb butt on it and it is substantially heavier than a bicycle.
Ask me how I broke my collar bone! LOL.wee.
 

thatsdax

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How is the vibration? I also have an in frame using a GT50 motor Case Reed with a chain driven 3.25:1 reduction. It runs great and makes great power. I am also using a long tube header. My only complaint is with these chain driven gear boxes makes for big time vibration. My setup really vibrates and takes a lot of the fun out of riding it. How is the vibration with yours?
 

wayne z

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How is the vibration? I also have an in frame using a GT50 motor Case Reed with a chain driven 3.25:1 reduction. It runs great and makes great power. I am also using a long tube header. My only complaint is with these chain driven gear boxes makes for big time vibration. My setup really vibrates and takes a lot of the fun out of riding it. How is the vibration with yours?
Are you sure it's the chainbox causing the vibes?

I've got a BGF kit with a Titan 49cc, and 3.25 single row chainbox that I converted to oil bath.

The whole set-up is very smooth and quiet. barely get someauflg vibes at WOT.

The clutch bell is mounted crooked on mine and shows a lot of wobble when spun by hand with the gearbox off. Maybe that's what's causing your major vibes and my minor ones?
 

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Just installed gas tank and tried to start, No spark. Took out mag coil and re-spaced it and it started and ran great. The gearing was way too high. I could barely get it going, but it did well, then stalled. After about 3 pulls the pull start broke (chinese plastic).
So I stopped for now. I'm getting a new metal pull start and looking for a way to gear it down, maybe a jackshaft or another gear reduction added on.
the gear reduction is about 3:1 and final chain is 5:1. So I need about another 10:1
Did you get the gearing worked out?
How did that cheap gearbox hold up to the motor?
thanks
 

LS614

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It's altogether a nice build, but in my opinion the thing that makes it, and what stood out to me first is the engine mount. Great job building that! :) Looks fun! what kind of speed are you getting with that teeny tiny sprocket in the back?
 

FarRider

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Great build, very ingenious mounts, very clean.
What gear box is that exactly?
You mentioned an oil bath set up?
As a fellow hi pipe rider may I suggest wrapping that pipe with some header wrap... it will save you a nasty burn.
Again, great build, good luck with it.
FR
 
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Just installed gas tank and tried to start, No spark. Took out mag coil and re-spaced it and it started and ran great. The gearing was way too high. I could barely get it going, but it did well, then stalled. After about 3 pulls the pull start broke (chinese plastic).
So I stopped for now. I'm getting a new metal pull start and looking for a way to gear it down, maybe a jackshaft or another gear reduction added on.
the gear reduction is about 3:1 and final chain is 5:1. So I need about another 10:1
3:1 X 5:1 = 15:1. If you're shooting for 25:1, you need another 1.66:1.

15:1 X 1.66:1 = 25:1.

12t/20t sprockets = 1.66:1.
10t/17t = 1.7:1
11t/18t = 1.63:1

Instead of another jackshaft, you could try an 11t sprocket on the gearbox and a 72t on the rear wheel. That will give you 19.62:1 gear ratio, which will work very well. You could also try an 11t/63t sprocket combination for 17.16:1 ratio. Top speed will be faster with 17.16, but you'll have better low end with 19.62:1 gears.

Either gears will be MUCH better than what you have now. All these 8mm sprockets are inexpensive. 11t is less than $10. 72t sprocket is less than $20.

No need for expensive custom-made sprockets. Simply redrill the 63t or 72t for the Happy Time bolt pattern and they fit right onto your rear wheel.

Orrrr, you could get a HD hub from Staton, screw on a 4-hole left-hand freewheel and bolt the 63t or 72t right on it.
 
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gera229

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3:1 X 5:1 = 15:1. If you're shooting for 25:1, you need another 1.66:1.

15:1 X 1.66:1 = 25:1.

12t/20t sprockets = 1.66:1.
10t/17t = 1.7:1
11t/18t = 1.63:1

Instead of another jackshaft, you could try an 11t sprocket on the gearbox and a 72t on the rear wheel. That will give you 19.62:1 gear ratio, which will work very well. You could also try an 11t/63t sprocket combination for 17.16:1 ratio. Top speed will be faster with 17.16, but you'll have better low end with 19.62:1 gears.

Either gears will be MUCH better than what you have now. All these 8mm sprockets are inexpensive. 11t is less than $10. 72t sprocket is less than $20.

No need for expensive custom-made sprockets. Simply redrill the 63t or 72t for the Happy Time bolt pattern and they fit right onto your rear wheel.

Orrrr, you could get a HD hub from Staton, screw on a 4-hole left-hand freewheel and bolt the 63t or 72t right on it.
DAX sells the aluminum version of the 72T with the 9 hole bolt pattern precisely drilled for you already for $25. ENGINE_KIT_PARTS_PAGE_2

I wonder where you can get the sprocket for under $20? Is aluminum going to wear fast with this sprocket? Or no because it has so many teeth?

I noticed if you just buy the 72T the center hole is so large to fit onto the hub if you know what I mean. That is because they are made for those fat pocket bike hubs. Dax has his center hole smaller to fit on a bicycle hub.
 
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5-7HEAVEN

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DAX sells the aluminum version of the 72T with the 9 hole bolt pattern precisely drilled for you already for $25. ENGINE_KIT_PARTS_PAGE_2

I wonder where you can get the sprocket for under $20? Is aluminum going to wear fast with this sprocket? Or no because it has so many teeth?

I noticed if you just buy the 72T the center hole is so large to fit onto the hub if you know what I mean. That is because they are made for those fat pocket bike hubs. Dax has his center hole smaller to fit on a bicycle hub.
Here's one vendor selling the 72t sprocket for under $20:

72 Tooth Sprocket for 8mm (T8F) / Scooter / Pocket Bike | eBay

This one is for a freewheeling connection.
 

gera229

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Thats without shipping. I bought my first 72T from him and didn't want to spend extra on a customer hub freewheel of the other side since they are expensive. So I just bought Dax's aluminum sprocket which I hope does not wear too quickly.