I just got my first bike and I was thinking of running some windshield washing fluid into the engine for more power I know they do this in some race cars but I was wondering if it will hurt the engine
I am sorry to burst your bubble,but bolting on a simple expansion Chamber exhaust system will do nothing but drain your wallet of the money that it cost to buy it.If you want more power put an expansion chamber exhaust on, that'll add ~ 1/2 HP, it just won't clean the windows in your engine ;-}
I am sorry to burst your bubble,but bolting on a simple expansion Chamber exhaust system will do nothing but drain your wallet of the money that it cost to buy it.
You may feel a difference in the seat of your pants due to the lack of resistance
but this is just the horse power, torque curves that have been changed and normally not in a good way.
if such a dynamometer exists that could measure the small Horse power range of a bicycle engine I am willing to bet opening up the exhaust with a free flowing exhaust would hurt the overall performance of your bike. and defiantly not increase the horse power without further engine and carburetor and ignition modifications.
reduced weight and friction both in rolling and wind you will get a more noticeable desirable increase in useable horsepower and torque. also at a fraction of the cost compared to modifying your motor.
Anyone that tells you different is a snake oil salesman.
Since your claiming I am wrong prove it. Taking a poorly tuned rich running engine and bolting on an expansion exhaust also will not increase horsepowerYou would be wrong.
A tuned pipe is a great addition to the Chinese engines even stock, although you can get more out of it by proper jetting.
ALL chinadoll engines are blubbery rich from the factory and a tuned pipe helps a lot even with stock jetting
After all that B.S you still do not make one claim backed by fact.:Facepalm:
Come on man, no need for burstin bubbles. Btw the guy who's bubble you think you burst has built more of these things than 99.9% on the planet. He knows what he's talking about and so does everyone else who offered help in this thread.
Have you ever went on the internet to read and learn about a subject, and as you are reading helpful post after helpful post, then a wall of straight nonsensical rambling that offers nothing to the conversation at hand. I always get the feeling of "Well, I will never get those few seconds or brain cells back...What a waste!"
Maniac is right as well. Its funny how you say these guys are wrong but don't offer the "correct" answer or anything helpful at all. You seem new to two strokes and how they work. As far as proof look at all the two stroke race bikes from back in the day. The expansion chamber is a known power adder when it comes to two strokes. Yes, with a bigger carb, tuning and all that you could get more power. But even with out that for those who want an easy and most bang for your buck, the expansion chamber is the way to go.
As far as proof you should read the Jennings 2 stroke tuners handbook. There is a chapter on expansion chambers. Heres a link:http://edj.net/2stroke/jennings/2stroketunershandbook.pdf
There are several other 2 stroke tuning books but that ones a good start.
First you say:
"The best cheapest solution for any vehicle to go faster and operate more efficiently is for the operator to lose weight. so by eating less pedaling more you will get what you want and probably save more money in the long run by reducing future expensive repetitive medications, trips to the ER all while making your Bike and rider total weight and wind drag less."
Which is wrong. Adults can range from 100 to 250+ lbs and be in perfect health and not need to loose weight. On these small engines a weight difference of a 200 lbs person loosing 50 lbs is still not going to make as big a difference as a properly tuned expansion chamber. Also, with this little horsepower and such low speeds you might get 1 and mayyybe 2 mph leaned forward in a more aerodynamic position. It's not gonna be comfortable and unless on a race track or on a really windy day you kinda look stupid doing it. Peddle more? Come on no one can pedal more than 25 mph or so for very long and "helping" the motor at higher rpms is impossible.
Then you say:
"I went to the my Local Harley shop to buy some chrome fork seal covers
and the fat guy behind the counter snickered saying how he took all the chrome off his bike to make it lighter so it would go faster.
I couldn't help but laugh when I thought to myself how much faster his bike would go without the extra 80 pounds he is carrying everyday."
In which you make fun of an over weight guy who just says what he did to HIS BIKE about loosing weight. Which his advise was borderline getting into the snake oil area. Then, the only advice you can give is to loose weight and get more aerodynamic(both snake oil when it comes to Mabs). Neither of these really apply to our hobby. Bicycles don't weigh much to begin with and other then fenders isn't much you can take off to shed any real pounds. And aerodynamics is the least of our concerns. Anything short of building a bullet shell around your bike(which adds weight) you cant do much to improve the areo of a bicycle.
Then;
"Since your claiming I am wrong prove it. Taking a poorly tuned rich running engine and bolting on an expansion exhaust also will not increase horsepower"
Since years of research and development and the top scientist say expansion chambers work, the burden of proof is on you to prove they don't. Also, no one said anything about a poorly tuned rich running engine. Mines not poorly tuned and I'm sure none of the other guys who posted bikes are either. Funny thing is if it was running a little rich with the stock muffler it would run better with the x chamber which sometimes can need a little more fuel.
Then:
"exhaust is just one part of the modifications needed to increase horsepower and torque.
either your one of those snake oil salesman or someone trying to defend his purchase."
No, Exhaust(expansion chamber) is one modification that will increase horsepower and torque...That's it, it just will and it has been proven for decades. Of course you can do other mods to improve on power but not everyone wants a wild race motor. Just a little more pep is all these need to be fun and reliable on the streets.
You keep saying snake oil salesmen but its obvious you don't know what that means either. Because telling a MaB rider to eat less and be more aerodynamic IS what a snake oil salesmen would say! Stuff that in theory (to the uninformed) would seem to work and be better but its actually just a waste of time and brain cells.
Then this:
"show me the dyno results of real world numbers before and after an exhaust bolt on. till then keep your wrong opinion to yourself."
Such harsh words coming from such confidence, yet being grounded in ZERO truth, really is something to chuckle over. You really should take your own advice on this one nelly and also again see the tuners handbooks.
The cherry on top:
"reduced weight and friction both in rolling and wind you will get a more noticeable desirable increase in useable horsepower and torque. also at a fraction of the cost compared to modifying your motor.
Anyone that tells you different is a snake oil salesman"
Seems like anyone giving advice on something he knows little about to people who have built these motors for years, then with that nonsensical, not true, not relevant, not good and not funny bit about loosing weigh and being more aerodynamic(this isnt NASCAR)...wait for it...followed by "Anyone that tells you different is a snake oil salesman"..LOL I know i can barely breath over here. Too funny. This made my day right here boys.