Dragon Fire, White Wire?

cschade · Mar 16, 2015

I purchased a Flying Horse Dragon Fire engine kit -- a regular flying horse engine kit with an integrated magneto and CDI. It has a kill switch wire set coming out of it to hook up the kill switch. Is there a "White wire" to hook up a headlight? If so, how do I approach going about it?

cvlt1

maniac57 · Mar 16, 2015

The white wire is basically useless. Cut it off or tape it up.
If you INSIST in trying to use it, check out the DOZENS of threads here on this subject.

cschade · Mar 16, 2015

maniac57 said:
The white wire is basically useless. Cut it off or tape it up.
If you INSIST in trying to use it, check out the DOZENS of threads here on this subject.

Thanks Maniac. appreciate the suggestion.

scratg

cannonball2 · Mar 16, 2015

That unit is an integrated CDI, should only have kill wires. Probably a red and black. The white wire is common to the older 2pc mag/CDI. But if it does have a white, do like M57 says and don't use it.

Let us know how this unit works out. If it does its an excellent idea.

cschade · Mar 16, 2015

cannonball2 said:
That unit is an integrated CDI, should only have kill wires. Probably a red and black. The white wire is common to the older 2pc mag/CDI. But if it does have a white, do like M57 says and don't use it.

Let us know how this unit works out. If it does its an excellent idea.

I will. Hoping it turns out to be a reliable system with all the problems 2peice mag/ cdi's seem to have.

2door · Mar 16, 2015

Could you possibly post a photo of this magneto/CDI. It sounds like the old Super Rat and if it is the same they had some heat problems. Just one picture would help.

Tom

cschade · Mar 16, 2015

2door said:
Could you possibly post a photo of this magneto/CDI. It sounds like the old Super Rat and if it is the same they had some heat problems. Just one picture would help.

Tom

No problem.

maniac57 · Mar 16, 2015

cschade said:
No problem.

Yup. That's a "Super Rat" .

cannonball2 · Mar 17, 2015

Drill some holes in the leading edge of the cover and over the fan area, the module is waterproof.

cschade · Mar 17, 2015

cannonball2 said:
Drill some holes in the leading edge of the cover and over the fan area, the module is waterproof.

Is it a problem that it is waterproof? 2Door said something about heat problems. Will drilling the ventilation holes take care of that?

2door · Mar 17, 2015

If I recall the Super Rat had cooling holes in the magneto cover. Or at least several photos of them I've seen showed them. I've never owned one so I'm only relaying what I've seen pictured.

Tom

cannonball2 · Mar 17, 2015

Unless they changed the in the mean time the covers appear closed/undrilled. I don't know who makes the Flying Horse. Its definitely not the same as the GT5 type engines, unless of course they have changed manufacturers again and China Gas is making them which would be the same engine as the Grubee Skyhawk Super Rat. Who knows?

maniac57 · Mar 17, 2015

I have only ever seen two of these engines, and both were in for no spark. Replaced coils and both were gone. My understanding is they tended to overheat and fail. They are also VERY hard to find parts for! (or were back then anyway)
BUT if the coil is waterproof, I'm thinking some cooling holes would help a lot. The engines I saw had small notches in the bottom of the covers for airflow, but they were tiny and ineffective. You could easily make some bigger holes to allow the fan to actually do something besides stir the air inside the case...

cannonball2 · Mar 18, 2015

I agree cooling flow is probably the issue. Almost all CDI/coils on small industrial/handheld engines are in the cooling airflow inside the shroud. A way for the air to enter and exit would probably eliminate the problem. However China Gas Looks like they are making the engine still, ands with no mods to the cases. Maybe the first modules were defective. Once again, who knows?

2door · Mar 18, 2015

Typically when you introduce cooling air you need to provide exhaust area at least twice the size of that given for entry. That would be hard given the design of the magneto cover on a 2 stroke. Someone didn't do their math apparently if heating was an issue with the solid state electronics. Maybe that's why we don't see many Super Rats.

I wouldn't mind experimenting with one. It appears to me that unless you're riding in heavy rain or splashing through every puddle you can find, water wouldn't be an issue. Baffles could be fabricated to keep water off the critical components but still provide sufficient cooling.

Tom

cannonball2 · Mar 22, 2015

If you want a module to play with Bikeberry has them for $14 or so, also have the rotor.

cschade · Mar 22, 2015

I got the motor on Tuesday. I've ridden it about thirty miles so far. I drilled two 3/4 inch holes in the magneto cover for cooling. No problems so far. In addition, I have checked the magneto after rides and it remains fairly cool. usflg

DRBS · Apr 7, 2015

ok here goes im building a kit that will take the white ^V wire and turn it into a 12V source for led lights would anyone be willing to buy such an item for $45.00???? let me know im going to be taking orders for them in the next few weeks. you can private message me if your interested. I will be adding a e-bay page in the next few weeks

boxcar · Apr 27, 2015

http://motorbicycling.com/showthread.php?t=32246

Been there done that..... Works great......

virtuoso · Apr 29, 2015

Flying horse is known for overheating and blowing the rings... Not a solid engine at all... I just blew one and I'm done with them, going back to the eBay special...

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